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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What kind of „conspiracy theory”?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I share the statement from 30.04.2024 from “Simon-Jan Haytink, RIPE NCC, CFO”. He is telling this, not me..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You are not yourself here. You are talking on behalf of de.telekom here. This is not a community discussion list, this is a LIR discussion list, as I know, you can subscribe it in LIR account only.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I understand, why telekom and other ISPs are afraid of a charging scheme like ARIN:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a href="https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/fee_schedule/">https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/fee_schedule/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yes, I want the Telekom to pay more, for the resource it uses (Telekom is holding more than 3% of the RIPE NCC resources).. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>RIPE NCC is not only a “member-based organization”. It is a non-profit member-based organization, who is responsible for assigning IP addresses. Commonly used service of the RIPE NCC for more than 95% of the members is the resources, nothing else!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That’s it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=TR style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'>--<br></span><span lang=TR style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'>Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards<br><br></span><b><span lang=TR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:gray;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'>Murat TERZIOGLU</span></b><span lang=TR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0581D0;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>PREB</span></b><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002D75;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>IT</span></b><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0581D0;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>S</span></b><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002D75;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Bochumer Str. 20<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>44866 Bochum<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Deutschland<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Telefon: 0234/58825994<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Telefax: 0234/58825995<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><a href="http://www.prebits.de/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.prebits.de</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><a href="mailto:info@prebits.de"><span style='color:#0563C1'>info@prebits.de</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>USt-ID: DE315418902</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Sebastian-Becker@telekom.de <Sebastian-Becker@telekom.de> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2024 10:26<br><b>An:</b> m.terzioglu@prebits.de; nd@syndicat.com; members-discuss@ripe.net<br><b>Betreff:</b> AW: [members-discuss] How can I vote against Charging Scheme A, B and C<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Speaking for myself:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Now we're into conspiracy theories, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Maybe one should think about what it means to have a member-based organization and contribute to it in a productive way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And to be clear: I strongly support what Gert D., Jan Z. and Sebastian W. have already written.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And yes, I'm pretty sure you'll put it back to my affiliation. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Have fun.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Greetings, Sebastian</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=mail-editor-reference-message-container><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='color:black'>Von: </span></b><span style='color:black'>members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> im Auftrag von <a href="mailto:m.terzioglu@prebits.de">m.terzioglu@prebits.de</a> <<a href="mailto:m.terzioglu@prebits.de">m.terzioglu@prebits.de</a>><br><b>Datum: </b>Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2024 um 10:16<br><b>An: </b>'Niels Dettenbach' <<a href="mailto:nd@syndicat.com">nd@syndicat.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br><b>Betreff: </b>Re: [members-discuss] How can I vote against Charging Scheme A, B and C<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Yes, and some of the friends from NCC also shared, if they make the fees higher for the large resource holder, that they would go to other LIRs </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😊</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> And the large LIRs from our community think the same for the small LIRs "if you are not happy, go away!"...<br><br>Interesting... ARIN is stronger than RIPE NCC I thing, because they were succeed to charge big players a bit more as the smaller one at least. <br><br>I don’t want to imagine the other options...<br><br>Stable future is not coming in this way unfortunately..<br><br>--<br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards<br><br>Murat TERZIOGLU<br>PREBITS<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>