<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi,<div> </div><div>RIPE NCC is not a Member Organisation, is a Member Organisation, who is a Regional Internet Registry (RIR) responsible for allocating and managing IP addresses and Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs) for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia..</div><div> </div><div>So main part of the members are member because they need resources. </div><div> </div><div>Which resources? The resources, which are unique! </div><div> </div><div>So yes, RIRs are monopoly! RIPE NCC is monopoly, because there is no place to get the resource for the europen region. </div><div> </div><div>And the people as you, they are working for large resource holders, of course want them to pay for the resource they use lower… Possibly all the costs will be paid from the small LIRs.</div><div> </div><div>Why because you are older in the world than the others…</div><div> </div><div>Stone age thinking!!! Doesnt work forever… You will see, it will change! If not, there wont be a “stable future” for RIPE NCC, as our EB tells…</div><div> </div><div><div dir="ltr"><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>--Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions Bochumer Str. 20D-44866 Bochum Telefon: 0234/58825994<o:p></o:p>Telefax: 0234/58825995<o:p></o:p> www.prebits.de<o:p></o:p>m.terzioglu@prebits.de USt-ID: DE315418902</div><div dir="ltr"> <blockquote type="cite">Am 15.05.2024 um 17:09 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>: </blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hi, On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 05:03:34PM +0200, m.terzioglu@prebits.de wrote: <blockquote type="cite">You have: </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">10 x IPv4 Allocations </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2 x IPv6 Allocations </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">2 x ASNs </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You will pay with the new charging scheme between 2600 - 2900??? yearly. </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Your 10 x IPv4 Subnets includes more than 400 x /24 IPv4 subnets. </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This has a commercial benefit. </blockquote> We have paid RIPE fees for over 25 years now. Maybe we have paid enough, and only the newcomers should pay now? Silly arguments can be made in all directions. <blockquote type="cite">Than pay to our non-profit Organization, RIPE NCC, proportional </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">as your commercial benefit from our "Internet" for community building, </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">training, ATLAS, EB, Office, HR, etc... proportional from/for all </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the costs.. </blockquote> I've been around for a while, and helped build all this, which you want for free now. So, yes. We do pay for this, and we do not complain (except if they do silly "MOVE IT ALL TO THE CLOUD" proposals, or build ticket systems from hell). <blockquote type="cite">Using the whole Internet Resources so much as you have, but pay for that unequal... </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But I am sure, you think your benefit and want to pay for your resource as low as possible... </blockquote> This is a member organization. Every member has one vote, and pays the same amount of money. We're not paying for resources, we pay for membership. If you do not want to be a member, then don't. But then do not complain that you can't play with the other kids. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo Lalla, Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 </div></blockquote></div></body></html>