<div dir="ltr">Exactly that!<div>And RIPE it is the only RIR who allowed multiLIR accounts, we can see a person/entity with more than 20 lir accounts hoarding the IPv4 space and only purpose is to lease out not using it by himself! The benefit, of course, is RIPE from signup fees, and membership fees without thinking that after 2 years they merge them into one LIR account and hold the resource. Not sure that RIPE staff was thinking of doing/allowing such a policy in which the budget for RIPE NCC was short term and not long term!</div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 6:00 PM <<a href="mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru" target="_blank">sdy@a-n-t.ru</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Sorry Gert, but... It is very funny listen about 25 years payments now, then 1 IPv4 price on market now more than 20 euro. It was done by you and LIRs like you! To do nothing 25 years to make economic crisis model in international network addressing! All that we need to know from <a href="https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/charging-scheme-2025-consultation/charging-scheme-2025-q-and-a/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/charging-scheme-2025-consultation/charging-scheme-2025-q-and-a/</a> : IS: ----> A quick initial assessment of this scenarios shows that: 37.48% of the revenue budget would come from 25 members or 0.12% of the membership 47.35% of the revenue budget would come from 1,350 or 6.7% of the membership 15.17% of the revenue budget would come from 18,790 or 93.18% of the membership <---- So 93% NCC member pays for "good life" of 7% LIRs! Sorry, but it's looks like: "We need revolution!". ----------- Serbulov Dmitry > Member organization, who gives you unique resources for free, you to make > commercial benefit! > > What can you do without your ASN and resources? Or how can you do your > business without? > > > By the way, this is Discussion Mailing List for Charging Scheme. It is > obvious to talk here about this. > > > > -- > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards > > Murat TERZIOGLU > PREBITS > > Bochumer Str. 20 > 44866 Bochum > Deutschland > > Telefon: 0234/58825994 > Telefax: 0234/58825995 > > <a href="http://www.prebits.de" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.prebits.de</a> > <a href="mailto:info@prebits.de" target="_blank">info@prebits.de</a> > > USt-ID: DE315418902 > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2024 17:10 > An: <a href="mailto:m.terzioglu@prebits.de" target="_blank">m.terzioglu@prebits.de</a> > Cc: 'Gert Doering' <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>>; 'Simon Lockhart' <<a href="mailto:simon@slimey.org" target="_blank">simon@slimey.org</a>>; > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > Betreff: Re: AW: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > Hi, > > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 05:03:34PM +0200, <a href="mailto:m.terzioglu@prebits.de" target="_blank">m.terzioglu@prebits.de</a> wrote: >> You have: >> 10 x IPv4 Allocations >> 2 x IPv6 Allocations >> 2 x ASNs >> >> You will pay with the new charging scheme between 2600 - 2900??? yearly. >> >> Your 10 x IPv4 Subnets includes more than 400 x /24 IPv4 subnets. >> >> This has a commercial benefit. > > We have paid RIPE fees for over 25 years now. Maybe we have paid enough, > and only the newcomers should pay now? > > Silly arguments can be made in all directions. > >> Than pay to our non-profit Organization, RIPE NCC, proportional as >> your commercial benefit from our "Internet" for community building, >> training, ATLAS, EB, Office, HR, etc... proportional from/for all the >> costs.. > > I've been around for a while, and helped build all this, which you want > for > free now. So, yes. We do pay for this, and we do not complain (except if > they do silly "MOVE IT ALL TO THE CLOUD" proposals, or build ticket > systems > from hell). > >> Using the whole Internet Resources so much as you have, but pay for that > unequal... >> >> But I am sure, you think your benefit and want to pay for your resource >> as > low as possible... > > This is a member organization. Every member has one vote, and pays the > same > amount of money. > > We're not paying for resources, we pay for membership. > > If you do not want to be a member, then don't. But then do not complain > that you can't play with the other kids. > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo > Lalla, > Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. 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