<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">For a stable future of RIPE NCC, we should change our way of thinking.<div><br></div><div>This wont help. </div><div><br></div><div>To be old, doesnt help to be able to stay in market forever. </div><div><br></div><div>To act like monopoly, wont bring RIPE NCC forever either.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><o:p> </o:p>--</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span lang="TR">Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards<br><br></span><b><span lang="TR">Murat TERZIOGLU</span></b><span lang="TR"><br></span><b>PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Bochumer Str. 20</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">D-44866 Bochum</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Telefon: <span dir="ltr">0234/58825994</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Telefax: <span dir="ltr">0234/58825995</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">www.prebits.de<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">m.terzioglu@prebits.de</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">USt-ID: DE315418902</span></p></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">Am 15.05.2024 um 19:55 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy@kyivstar.net>:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style>@font-face { font-family: "Cambria Math"; } @font-face { font-family: Calibri; } p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; } a:link, span.MsoHyperlink { color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline; } span.EmailStyle19 { font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext; } .MsoChpDefault { font-size: 10pt; } @page WordSection1 { size: 612pt 792pt; margin: 2cm 42.5pt 2cm 3cm; } div.WordSection1 { page: WordSection1; }</style> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sorry Murat, but according to your logic “RIPE NCC is monopoly” why you are not argue to IANA ??<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Or even more you can try to create one more RIR with much more fair resource allocation. As I see for you RIPE with its "unfair rules" so inconvenient to obtain registry service so nothing should stop you to create more fair organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I believe companies with 20, 25 years contribution made existence of RIPE even possible will live here.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 15, 2024 8:14 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Gert Doering <gert@space.net><br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">RIPE NCC is not a Member Organisation, is a Member Organisation, who is a Regional Internet Registry (RIR) responsible for allocating and managing IP addresses and Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs) for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia..<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">So main part of the members are member because they need resources. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Which resources? The resources, which are unique! <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">So yes, RIRs are monopoly! RIPE NCC is monopoly, because there is no place to get the resource for the europen region. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">And the people as you, they are working for large resource holders, of course want them to pay for the resource they use lower… Possibly all the costs will be paid from the small LIRs.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Why because you are older in the world than the others…<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Stone age thinking!!! Doesnt work forever… You will see, it will change! If not, there wont be a “stable future” for RIPE NCC, as our EB tells…<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"> --<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="TR">Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards<br> <br> <b>Murat TERZIOGLU</b><br> </span><b>PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions</b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Bochumer Str. 20<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">D-44866 Bochum<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Telefon: 0234/58825994<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Telefax: 0234/58825995<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.prebits.de">www.prebits.de</a><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:m.terzioglu@prebits.de">m.terzioglu@prebits.de</a><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">USt-ID: DE315418902<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Am 15.05.2024 um 17:09 schrieb Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br> <br> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 05:03:34PM +0200, <a href="mailto:m.terzioglu@prebits.de"> m.terzioglu@prebits.de</a> wrote:<br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">You have:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">10 x IPv4 Allocations<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">2 x IPv6 Allocations<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">2 x ASNs<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">You will pay with the new charging scheme between 2600 - 2900??? yearly.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Your 10 x IPv4 Subnets includes more than 400 x /24 IPv4 subnets.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">This has a commercial benefit. <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> We have paid RIPE fees for over 25 years now. Maybe we have paid enough,<br> and only the newcomers should pay now?<br> <br> Silly arguments can be made in all directions.<br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Than pay to our non-profit Organization, RIPE NCC, proportional<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">as your commercial benefit from our "Internet" for community building,<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">training, ATLAS, EB, Office, HR, etc... proportional from/for all<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">the costs..<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> I've been around for a while, and helped build all this, which you want<br> for free now. So, yes. We do pay for this, and we do not complain (except<br> if they do silly "MOVE IT ALL TO THE CLOUD" proposals, or build ticket<br> systems from hell).<br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Using the whole Internet Resources so much as you have, but pay for that unequal...<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">But I am sure, you think your benefit and want to pay for your resource as low as possible...<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> This is a member organization. Every member has one vote, and pays the<br> same amount of money.<br> <br> We're not paying for resources, we pay for membership.<br> <br> If you do not want to be a member, then don't. But then do not complain<br> that you can't play with the other kids.<br> <br> Gert Doering<br> -- NetMaster<br> -- <br> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br> <br> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo Lalla,<br> Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler<br> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann<br> D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)<br> Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>