<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">You tell this in behalf of Kyivstar, who take the benefit of more than 3000 x /24 Subnets.<div><br></div><div>Ask your community in Ukraine, if they are also agree with you.<div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><o:p> </o:p>--</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span lang="TR">Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards<br><br></span><b><span lang="TR">Murat TERZIOGLU</span></b><span lang="TR"><br></span><b>PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Bochumer Str. 20</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">D-44866 Bochum</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Telefon: <span dir="ltr">0234/58825994</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Telefax: <span dir="ltr">0234/58825995</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">www.prebits.de<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">m.terzioglu@prebits.de</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">USt-ID: DE315418902</span></p></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">Am 15.05.2024 um 17:26 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy@kyivstar.net>:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<div dir="auto">Lats talk more, for example, about Atlas.</div>
<div dir="auto">My company doesn't use Atlas at all. How it fits to your calculations? </div>
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<div id="" dir="auto" class="">Let's look more deep in HR, why do you think LIR with 10x /8 consume more HR resources ten LIR with 10x /24 ?</div>
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<div id="" dir="auto" class="">Our staff doesn't participate in RIPE learning cople of year, how this counted by you?</div>
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<div id="" dir="auto" class="">So why membership fee have to be propotional to commercial benefit (btw it is not the same as amount of IPs) ?</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" style="font-size: 11pt;"><strong>От:</strong> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> от имени m.terzioglu@prebits.de <m.terzioglu@prebits.de><br>
<strong>Отправлено:</strong> среда, мая 15, 2024 6:05:12 PM<br>
<strong>Кому:</strong> 'Gert Doering' <gert@space.net><br>
<strong>Копия:</strong> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br>
<strong>Тема:</strong> Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members<br>
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<div class="PlainText">Hello,<br>
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You have:<br>
10 x IPv4 Allocations<br>
2 x IPv6 Allocations<br>
2 x ASNs<br>
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You will pay with the new charging scheme between 2600 - 2900€ yearly.<br>
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Your 10 x IPv4 Subnets includes more than 400 x /24 IPv4 subnets.<br>
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This has a commercial benefit. <br>
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Than pay to our non-profit Organization, RIPE NCC, proportional as your commercial benefit from our "Internet" for community building, training, ATLAS, EB, Office, HR, etc... proportional from/for all the costs..
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Using the whole Internet Resources so much as you have, but pay for that unequal...<br>
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But I am sure, you think your benefit and want to pay for your resource as low as possible...<br>
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Murat TERZIOGLU<br>
PREBITS<br>
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Von: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> <br>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2024 16:17<br>
An: m.terzioglu@prebits.de<br>
Cc: 'Simon Lockhart' <simon@slimey.org>; members-discuss@ripe.net<br>
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members<br>
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Hi,<br>
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On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 05:11:35PM +0200, m.terzioglu@prebits.de wrote:<br>
> Unfortunately, i don’t have budget for "Community Building"... I paid <br>
> already enough for RIPE NCC...<br>
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Which is, I think, part of the problem here.<br>
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The Internet works because many different companies that all compete with each other business-wise have to cooperate to "make that thing work", and this is really helped by having people to talk to, get and offer advice, and so on.<br>
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Namely, a community of network folks.<br>
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So, I see "community building" and "keep the governments off our backs"<br>
(by outreach, training, etc.) as fundamental pillars of the work the RIPE NCC does, for all of us. And we're happy to fund that.<br>
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And no, this has nothing to do with how many resources a LIR has.<br>
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Gert Doering<br>
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