<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">For example if my customers are in eu and i work in eu and my operation is in eu, would that be a reason, why i work with RIPE NCC?<div> </div><div>Show me the way for example, if it is possible to create a LIR on ARIN and work here in EU as a member of ARIN and with of course the resource of ARIN? </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> <div dir="ltr"><o:p> </o:p>--Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions Bochumer Str. 20D-44866 Bochum Telefon: 0234/58825994<o:p></o:p>Telefax: 0234/58825995<o:p></o:p> www.prebits.de<o:p></o:p>m.terzioglu@prebits.de USt-ID: DE315418902</div><div dir="ltr"> <blockquote type="cite">Am 15.05.2024 um 19:27 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>: </blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - "members fee" and it is members fee. I don’t think current situation is discriminatory. You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but not Ok with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How it is possible ? And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR for registry service if this organization so discriminatory from your point of view ?? I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs according to RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access to Internet for our subscribers. And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people to internet. Hope same as you... -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of sdy@a-n-t.ru Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy@kyivstar.net> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members It is not talk about "different members fee"! It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs. Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner organization for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a gathering of big players and address speculators. Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources from different networks. If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, then we have clearly been doing something wrong all these years! So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is? <blockquote type="cite">If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about different </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">members fee ? </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">________________________________ </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> от имени </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sdy@a-n-t.ru <sdy@a-n-t.ru> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan@go6.si> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Копия: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Dear Jan. </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We have alternative look! </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">equal parts for every NCC member! </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">P.S. </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes. </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">your salary and taxes too? </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote: </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have more </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">votes? Im think so - NO. </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :) </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE. </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Why Big members must have more votes? They pay same as other! </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If big members would pay significantly higher members fee price (due </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to larger IPv4 space), then it's only logical that they would request </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">proportionally more votes at the GM :) </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Do we really want that? </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Cheers, Jan </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> 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