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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Fergal,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks for that clarification, I can't
help but feel like this "choice" was carefully crafted in how it
has been presented to the membership base to ensure that
regardless of what "choice" we make, the board is going to get
what they want, which is to raise fee's and sustain an even higher
budget.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">It's quite obvious that a large portion
of the membership is firmly against this:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/</a> ,
as of this date, 711 individual LIR's supported a motion to
maintain the old charging scheme.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">We've been "told" that such a motion
cannot be made by the membership and "must" come from the EB,
which is highly debatable.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">You now confirm that members,
*regardless of their action* have no voice in the matter and
*some* form of price change to the charging scheme will occur even
if only a single member votes for it.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Since we're on the topic of
discussions, I noticed something that was ignored previously, and
I cannot seem to find in the EB meeting minutes.<br>
<br>
Which board members voted FOR this charging scheme and which
members abstained or voted against this charging scheme.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Second question, how many members need
to support a proposal to recall board members and force a new
election? It seems that may be the only way we will actually see
any progress on this matter is to fully replace the board of
directors.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Daniel~<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/24 6:33 AM, Fergal Cunningham
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Daniel,</div>
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<div>In that scenario, only 50 members would be voting and 950
would be abstaining from the vote. So 26 would be the target
needed for a resolution to achieve a majority and pass.</div>
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<div>The Articles of Association provide more details on how the
voting works, but they do note that "Abstentions and invalid
votes shall be considered as not having been cast. All votes,
both valid and invalid, and all abstentions shall be recorded
in the minutes."</div>
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-818/#article-18-general-meeting-voting</a></div>
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<div>All the best,</div>
<div>Fergal<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 14, 2024 at
1:16 PM Daniel Pearson <<a
href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">daniel@privatesystems.net</a>>
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<div>Fergal,</div>
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<div>Would you not require a majority vote on each item for
it to be adopted?</div>
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<div>If for example, we have 1,000 members registered to
vote, but 950 of them abstained from voting on the
charging scheme, surely you could not in good conscious
pass any of the options?</div>
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<div>Daniel~<br>
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<div>On 5/14/24 6:12 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Clément,<br>
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<div>The Abstain option will be there for all
resolutions and for the Board election, and this will
indeed be reflected in the reporting as usual. </div>
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<div>And although the Abstains are recorded, they don't
count towards the results of the vote. Only the
preferential choices count towards the result. And
it's worth pointing out that for the charging scheme
vote, members can vote for all three options in order
of preference, or they can choose just one or two
options. </div>
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All the best,<br>
Fergal</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 14, 2024
at 11:15 AM Clement Cavadore via members-discuss <<a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Mon, 2024-05-13 at 13:32 +0200, Jan Zorz - Go6
wrote:<br>
> Yes, but those votes need to happen at the GM,
not on the mailing<br>
> list :)<br>
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Actually, I have no clue on what to vote at next GM
regarding the<br>
charging scheme. None of the proposal is OK with what
I would like to<br>
see.<br>
<br>
I hope the abstain option will be taken into
consideration. I wouldn't<br>
like not to vote, as my opinion won't be reflected if
I simply do not<br>
vote.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Clément Cavadore<br>
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