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<div dir="ltr">On 30 Apr 2024, at 16:11, Patrick Velder
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<p>Hi Simon-Jan</p>
<p>Thanks for your words. Let me add my 2 comments:</p>
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<li>Mailing list: If I ever unsubscribe this list, it will
be due to thousands of ticket systems, which are auto
responding to literally every single mail. Or other
members trying to unsubscribe me from the list, after
posting. Or people posting "unsubscribe me!!!". </li>
<li>Funding: I agree, that the RIPE NCC needs enough funding
for its core services. As long as the CEO's office is
listed in your budget with 2,2mio € (this is >120x my
rent, and I'm not living in a cheap country), I guess you
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<div>Just to be exact, the CEO office budget is salaries of all
the executives, and the EA, and includes significant travel
expenses.</div>
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<div>So it is not that high, all things considered.</div>
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<p>Apart from that, the membership said "no" twice to ASN
fees. Introducing them through the back door is not fair and
will probably fail a 3rd time. Please accept the fact that
the community does not want ASN fees.<br>
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<p>Regarding the proposals: RIPE had one year time to work on
several proposals. Unfortunately they were published just a
few weeks prior the meeting and no input of the discussion
was used to develop these models.<br>
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<div>I am now start to wonder what is the best option to reach
rough consensus (as I think a polarizing vote is not good to
move forward) while keeping the organization funded.</div>
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<div>While there is a statutory obligation to vote on CS in 2024
so 2025 income is predicted, perhaps a potential move of agenda
point to the Prague meeting is a solution?</div>
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<div>It has a potential for more board meetings between now and
then to improve the offer, for Krakow meeting discussions to
take place and go further, perhaps another open house, and even
for a newly elected board members to participate (while someone
leaving a board would be excluded, so there is a trade off.)</div>
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<div>Meanwhile I see that one of member proposals has a huge
support, while the other, not so.</div>
<div>Any comment from the board on that?</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30.04.24 13:55, Simon-Jan
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<div>I worry more about 3/4 membership not interested in our
discussions than 400 leaving.</div>
<div>While some people could have been unsubscribed by their will
over the time, or due to bounced email addresses, I recall that
one was added to the list upon LIR creation.</div>
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<div>Any ideas why people are not on the list?</div>
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<div>— dk@ (waiting for one more NOC ticket…) </div>
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