<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">On 30 Apr 2024, at 16:11, Patrick Velder <lists@velder.li> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>Hi Simon-Jan</p>
<p>Thanks for your words. Let me add my 2 comments:</p>
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<li>Mailing list: If I ever unsubscribe this list, it will be due
to thousands of ticket systems, which are auto responding to
literally every single mail. Or other members trying to
unsubscribe me from the list, after posting. Or people posting
"unsubscribe me!!!". </li>
<li>Funding: I agree, that the RIPE NCC needs enough funding for
its core services. As long as the CEO's office is listed in your
budget with 2,2mio € (this is >120x my rent, and I'm not
living in a cheap country), I guess you are funded very very
well. </li></ol></div></blockquote><div>Just to be exact, the CEO office budget is salaries of all the executives, and the EA, and includes significant travel expenses.</div><div><br></div><div>So it is not that high, all things considered.</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><ol>
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<p>Apart from that, the membership said "no" twice to ASN fees.
Introducing them through the back door is not fair and will
probably fail a 3rd time. Please accept the fact that the
community does not want ASN fees.<br>
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<p>Regarding the proposals: RIPE had one year time to work on
several proposals. Unfortunately they were published just a few
weeks prior the meeting and no input of the discussion was used to
develop these models.<br>
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</div></blockquote><div>I am now start to wonder what is the best option to reach rough consensus (as I think a polarizing vote is not good to move forward) while keeping the organization funded.</div><div><br></div><div>While there is a statutory obligation to vote on CS in 2024 so 2025 income is predicted, perhaps a potential move of agenda point to the Prague meeting is a solution?</div><div><br></div><div>It has a potential for more board meetings between now and then to improve the offer, for Krakow meeting discussions to take place and go further, perhaps another open house, and even for a newly elected board members to participate (while someone leaving a board would be excluded, so there is a trade off.)</div><div><br></div><div>Meanwhile I see that one of member proposals has a huge support, while the other, not so.</div><div>Any comment from the board on that?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best regards<br>
Patrick</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30.04.24 13:55, Simon-Jan Haytink
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<p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:12pt;" id="docs-internal-guid-df90e238-7fff-610b-8850-cd1c04c16fc6"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Dear Mihail, all,</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre;white-space:pre-wrap;">Defining what exactly a diverse group is will be difficult. There are 20,000 members and over 5,000 subscribed to this list, with many obviously following closely. It is also interesting to note that over 400 people have unsubscribed from the members-discuss list in this month alone.</span></p></blockquote></div></blockquote><br><div>I worry more about 3/4 membership not interested in our discussions than 400 leaving.</div><div>While some people could have been unsubscribed by their will over the time, or due to bounced email addresses, I recall that one was added to the list upon LIR creation.</div><div><br></div><div>Any ideas why people are not on the list?</div><div><br></div><div>— dk@ (waiting for one more NOC ticket…) </div></body></html>