<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 26 Apr 2024, at 17:00, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>The ARIN fee structure leads to LIRs going for a /36 instead, because it's<br>cheaper - and that, of course, has consequences of the end user offerings.<br><br>So whatever we go for, there should never be a financial incentive to reduce <br>end user IPv6 assignment size for default-sized (non "extra large") LIR<br>allocations.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>… and possibly IPv6 costs could create incentives to not deploy IPv6 at all.</div><div><br></div><div>Can we stop discussing (and believing) that high costs for IPv4 would lead to enough IPv4 being returned to make everybody happy?</div><div><br></div><div>That will never be the case! There simply isn’t enough IPv4, so let’s stop riding that dead horse!</div><div><br></div><div>The only sustainable way to support future development is by having everything on IPv6.</div><div><br></div><div>You can complain about unfair distribution of IPv4 as long as you want, that’s now history that can't be changed.</div><div><br></div><div>With IPv6, however, those historic “mistakes" can be avoided (and are avoided).</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>PS: “mistakes” in quotes because back then they were not considered mistakes. In hindsight, you can discuss...</div><div> <br> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'tahoma' , 'new york' , 'times' , serif;"> <div><strong>Michel LANNERS</strong></div> <div>CIO at LU-CIX Management G.I.E.</div> <div>--</div> </span>   <div><a href="https://www.luxchat.lu/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.lu-cix.lu/LOGO/sign-20231207.png" width="390" height="122"></a></div>  <span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'tahoma' , 'new york' , 'times' , serif;"> <div>Mail: <a href="mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu</a></div> <div>Luxchat: @3eb2pdflrq57:01.lu-cix.luxchat.lu</div> <div>Phone: (+352) 28 99 29 92-81</div> <div><strong>LU-CIX Management G.I.E.</strong></div> <div>202, Z.A.E. Wolser F</div> <div>L-3290 Bettembourg</div> <div><a href="https://www.lu-cix.lu" target="_blank">lu-cix.lu</a></div> <div><a href="https://www.luxchat.lu" target="_blank">luxchat.lu</a></div> <div><a href="https://luxembourg-internet-days.com" target="_blank">luxembourg-internet-days.com</a></div> <div><a href="https://www.lunog.lu" target="_blank">lunog.lu</a> </div> </span></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div><div>Gert Doering<br> -- NetMaster<br>-- <br>have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br><br>SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard,<br> Ingo Lalla, Karin Schuler<br>Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann<br>D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)<br>Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279<br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br>members-discuss@ripe.net<br>https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/michel.lanners%40lu-cix.lu<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>