<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir="auto">Hello </div><div dir="auto">I agree </div><div dir="auto">Must be option like last year </div><div dir="auto">No to budget increase <br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Yuriy</div></div></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 23 Apr 2024, at 16:41, Daniel Pearson <daniel@privatesystems.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Fact - We have not been given the option to Reject all choices which is what I specifically reject.</div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">NO Should absolutely be an option.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 4/23/24 8:38 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via members-discuss wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:DB8PR09MB3324A94DB2A238E037970031CD112@DB8PR09MB3324.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Gotta love theories vs facts<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fact: RIPE has around 20 thousand members<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fact : less than 100 of them have posted on this list in the month of April.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fact: not all the under 100 members (or more specifically, people who are linked to members) are against the charging schemes proposed<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fact: this email won’t make any difference to the vocal minority who have issues with the charging schemes being proposed<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Fact: the result will be decided based on actual votes cast next month<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">--<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://michele.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: -webkit-standard;">I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt 36pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">members-discuss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on behalf of Denys Fedoryshchenko<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com></a><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, 23 April 2024 at 09:20<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lutz Donnerhacke<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de></a>, 'Mihail Fedorov'<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mihail@fedorov.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><mihail@fedorov.net></a><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>'<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>'<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><members-discuss@ripe.net></a><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 36pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources.<br><br>On Tue, 2024-04-23 at 05:51 +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote:<br>> * Mihail Fedorov wrote:<br>> > With all the respect to RIPE Executive board, there is a problem.<br>> > From the day first 2025 charging scheme draft was published -<br>> > thread instantly got hundreds of responses clearly indicating just<br>> > one thing - that proposed scheme is not ok. Majority (at least<br>> > that’s what I see in members-discuss) of members raised their<br>> > concerns and responded that they disagree with it.<br>> > [...]<br>> > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assumed that RIPE is members ruled<br>> > structure. That’s what all RIPE learning PDFs say. You can not<br>> > simply ignore everyone.<br>><br>> I'm sorry to step in here, but if you ask this way ...<br>><br>> The overwhelming majority of members did not respond at all. This<br>> means that they see no pressing problem with the current proposal.<br>><br>> We only see a - frankly - small group of members who are emphatically<br>> loud and repetitive. It seems to me that their motivation is to want<br>> to reduce the already low annual costs even further for their<br>> personal benefit.<br>Absolutely incorrect assumption (as it is already said).<br>For example there are many reasons why the LIR in Lebanon are silent<br>this maillist, but everyone I spoke with and who read mallist was<br>categorically outraged by the current situation.<br>><br>> In most countries, a fixed fee per member is typical for associations<br>> and cooperatives. That's why the controlling department of most<br>> companies has no problem with it. And this is precisely why all<br>> attempts in the past to switch to a resource-based fee have failed:<br>It is failed only in RIPE, and it worked in ALL other RIR. And this<br>also food for thoughts, why it failed in RIPE.<br>Also RIPE is not golf club, it is kind of resource allocating non-<br>profit.<br>USB-IF, IEEE (mac address allocation), PCI-SIG(only one vid per member)<br>and many others do the same, there is always annual maintenance fee<br>which is dependent on size of allocated resources.<br>> You would have to explain the RIPE bill to the accounting department.<br>><br>> Resource-based fees were introduced to stimulate the return of AS<br>> numbers etc. that are no longer used. Again, the same reason: you<br>> have to explain this accounting item.<br>><br>> Lutz Donnerhacke<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> members-discuss mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br>> Unsubscribe:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclearcat.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclearcat.com</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br>Unsubscribe:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/michele%40blacknight.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/michele%40blacknight.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><br><fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset><pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
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