<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=gb2312"> </head> <body> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">Net neutrality is about treating data equally, without favoritism, by those who transport it. It isn't perfect as sometimes governments have some ideas on what needs to be blocked. Also, for operational reasons, transported data sometimes needs to be blocked, too. But most of the time things work.<span></span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">What net neutrality is not is entertaining the idea of redistributing IPv4 <span>addresses equally to everyone. Addresses were distributed on [shown] need in the past. All have been distributed a long time since, they're not coming back.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">:)</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">Kaj</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> </div> </div> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container" class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message"> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of sdy@a-n-t.ru <sdy@a-n-t.ru><br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 20, 2024 12:33 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Servperso <ml@servperso.com><br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) <div> </div> </font></div> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server"> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">Hi,<br> Sorry but I'm not agree with like it must be D.<br> <br> It is wrong way of payment. It will move payment to middle size LIR's and<br> do nothing to return not use IPv4. It will freeze dictature of large IPv4<br> owner in networking. And do nothing for net neutrality.<br> <br> <br> > Hi,<br> > That's the model we want to see too and we vote for sure !<br> ><br> > We think punish people who own multiples asn is counter productive and<br> > always strike loud on small isp / non proofit.<br> > It can have a real negative impact on net neutrality (required by icann,<br> > to maintain your RIR status) by reducing the 'sponsoring' offer<br> > possibility.<br> ><br> > RIPE board, please add option D with this one and buy this guy a cofee :)<br> ><br> > Best regards,<br> ><br> > Le 20-04-24 �� 10:32, Sebastien Brossier a ��crit :<br> >> On 16/04/2024 16:37, Mihail Fedorov wrote:<br> >>> I once again advise to put less charges on IPv6. Genrally it��s a good<br> >>> and correct approach. But in current reality this will result need to<br> >>> restructure v6 subnets for everyone, who opted into /29 but using /32<br> >>> (which is what many small LIRs do) and create additional work for<br> >>> everyone. In some distant future there will be no difference but for<br> >>> now every occasion to motivate networks to have IPv6 should be valued.<br> >>><br> >>> Apart from that that��s the scheme I would be happy to vote for.<br> >><br> >> Finally found some time to test some variants.<br> >> Alternative parameters, where you can have up to /29 IPv6 at base fee<br> >> (same total budget):<br> >><br> >> Base_Fee = 700 EUR<br> >> Bit_Factor = 1.31<br> >> Minimum_Fee = Base_Fee<br> >> Offset_IPv4 = 8<br> >> Offset_IPv6 = 27<br> >><br> >> No allocations: 700 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /29: 700 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /28: 917 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /27: 1201 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /26: 1573 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /25: 2061 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /24: 2700 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /23: 3537 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /22: 4634 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /21: 6071 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /20: 7953 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /19: 10418 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /18: 13648 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /17: 17879 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /16: 23422 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /15: 30682 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /14: 40194 EUR<br> >> IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /13: 52654 EUR<br> >> Largest LIR: 65143 EUR<br> >><br> >><br> >> Sebastien Brossier<br> >><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> members-discuss mailing list<br> >> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> >> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380390749%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fgbpQWpyD6yeEARFBTdSnYBmbc%2FiPBWeQnrZbXGWccA%3D&reserved=0</a><br> >> Unsubscribe:<br> >> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ml%40servperso.com"> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Fml%2540servperso.com&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380400557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aHGVWRBhtPCVdrbROcNXk%2BR3sZYARzIm2BN9okI%2BOW4%3D&reserved=0</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > members-discuss mailing list<br> > members-discuss@ripe.net<br> > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380407742%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gNE1MtC5OomIcwwKskZchmwRCzEVzW9pYTj9jJ1THpA%3D&reserved=0</a><br> > Unsubscribe:<br> > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/sdy%40a-n-t.ru"> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Fsdy%2540a-n-t.ru&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380413811%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jL2hQNyhXWEifU%2BVofGpjkAXAlEEIIZQLP4huvNq7r8%3D&reserved=0</a><br> ><br> <br> <br> -----------------------------<br> �� ӧѧا֧ߧڧ֧� ��֧�ҧ�ݧ�� ާڧ��ڧ�<br> �� "��ݧ�� ֧� ��֧ݧ֧ܧ��"<br> +7(498)785-8-000 ��ѧ�.<br> +7(495)940-92-11 �է��.<br> +7(925)518-10-69 ��.<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380419752%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jHLXsprtfuLAzqCgtQ5qSFTFw178lRlVDideyE%2Bj0cI%3D&reserved=0</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/kajtzu%40basen.net"> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Fkajtzu%2540basen.net&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380425235%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VHME8HuR%2FNnLvkb6zCkPAh9HffM2JPKoHqtofqHbbYI%3D&reserved=0</a><br> </div> </span></font></div> </div> </body> </html>