<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1>European countries are setting a target to avoid using fossil fuel-using vehicles by 2030-2035. To achieve this, they do not dictate vehicle owners to sell or dispose their vehicles immediately. However, just as they encourage other vehicles (Electric, H2O powered, etc..) with tax advantages, they are slowly discouraging fossil fuel vehicles with tax disadvantages.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Although I doubt the reasonableness of the steps of the EU they are taking, but I think that with encouragement and deterrence, the IPv4 -> IPv6 transition will gradually occur. Of course, if RIPE NCC takes the right steps.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Their efforts so far certainly do not serve this purpose.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>I'm sure some resource owners will show resistance. For example, that they paid money to RIPE NCC when no one else was paying money (20-25 years ago ?!?), etc. However, as they paid this money, they got their reward from the end user, and they have benefited greatly from its cream in recent years.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>It is now important that RIPE NCC introduces this into an equitable system.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>The options they have offered in recent years only benefit BIG Players, only.. Proposals to the contrary never come from the GM...<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I'm not a fan of destruction, I'm a fan of being constructive. However, in recent years, the GM has only been taking steps to eliminate small entrepreneurs (I'm sure this wasn't the direct goal, but unfortunately this is the outcome).<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>In my opinion, the most reasonable solution proposal among what I have seen so far in 2024 is the one offered by Sebastien. However, I am aware that it is necessary to consider whether this provides the budget in numbers.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>-- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Bochumer Str. 20<o:p></o:p>44866 Bochum<o:p></o:p>Deutschland<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Telefon: 0234/58825994<o:p></o:p>Telefax: 0234/58825995<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><a href="http://www.prebits.de/">www.prebits.de</a><o:p></o:p><a href="mailto:info@prebits.de">info@prebits.de</a><o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>USt-ID: DE315418902<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Kaj Niemi Gesendet: Samstag, 20. April 2024 11:50 An: sdy@a-n-t.ru; Servperso <ml@servperso.com> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div>Net neutrality is about treating data equally, without favoritism, by those who transport it. It isn't perfect as sometimes governments have some ideas on what needs to be blocked. Also, for operational reasons, transported data sometimes needs to be blocked, too. But most of the time things work.<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>What net neutrality is not is entertaining the idea of redistributing IPv4 addresses equally to everyone. Addresses were distributed on [shown] need in the past. All have been distributed a long time since, they're not coming back.<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>:)<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div id=ms-outlook-mobile-signature><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div>Kaj<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div id=mail-editor-reference-message-container><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg>From: members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of <a href="mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru">sdy@a-n-t.ru</a> <<a href="mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru">sdy@a-n-t.ru</a>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 12:33 PM To: Servperso <<a href="mailto:ml@servperso.com">ml@servperso.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) <o:p></o:p><div> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div>Hi, Sorry but I'm not agree with like it must be D. It is wrong way of payment. It will move payment to middle size LIR's and do nothing to return not use IPv4. It will freeze dictature of large IPv4 owner in networking. And do nothing for net neutrality. > Hi, > That's the model we want to see too and we vote for sure ! > > We think punish people who own multiples asn is counter productive and > always strike loud on small isp / non proofit. > It can have a real negative impact on net neutrality (required by icann, > to maintain your RIR status) by reducing the 'sponsoring' offer > possibility. > > RIPE board, please add option D with this one and buy this guy a cofee :) > > Best regards, > > Le 20-04-24 à 10:32, Sebastien Brossier a écrit : >> On 16/04/2024 16:37, Mihail Fedorov wrote: >>> I once again advise to put less charges on IPv6. Genrally it’s a good >>> and correct approach. But in current reality this will result need to >>> restructure v6 subnets for everyone, who opted into /29 but using /32 >>> (which is what many small LIRs do) and create additional work for >>> everyone. In some distant future there will be no difference but for >>> now every occasion to motivate networks to have IPv6 should be valued. >>> >>> Apart from that that’s the scheme I would be happy to vote for. >> >> Finally found some time to test some variants. >> Alternative parameters, where you can have up to /29 IPv6 at base fee >> (same total budget): >> >> Base_Fee = 700 EUR >> Bit_Factor = 1.31 >> Minimum_Fee = Base_Fee >> Offset_IPv4 = 8 >> Offset_IPv6 = 27 >> >> No allocations: 700 EUR >> IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /29: 700 EUR >> IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /28: 917 EUR >> IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /27: 1201 EUR >> IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /26: 1573 EUR >> IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /25: 2061 EUR >> IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /24: 2700 EUR >> IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /23: 3537 EUR >> IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /22: 4634 EUR >> IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /21: 6071 EUR >> IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /20: 7953 EUR >> IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /19: 10418 EUR >> IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /18: 13648 EUR >> IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /17: 17879 EUR >> IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /16: 23422 EUR >> IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /15: 30682 EUR >> IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /14: 40194 EUR >> IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /13: 52654 EUR >> Largest LIR: 65143 EUR >> >> >> Sebastien Brossier >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> >> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380390749%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fgbpQWpyD6yeEARFBTdSnYBmbc%2FiPBWeQnrZbXGWccA%3D&reserved=0</a> >> Unsubscribe: >> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ml%40servperso.com">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Fml%2540servperso.com&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380400557%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aHGVWRBhtPCVdrbROcNXk%2BR3sZYARzIm2BN9okI%2BOW4%3D&reserved=0</a> > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380407742%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gNE1MtC5OomIcwwKskZchmwRCzEVzW9pYTj9jJ1THpA%3D&reserved=0</a> > Unsubscribe: > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/sdy%40a-n-t.ru">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Fsdy%2540a-n-t.ru&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380413811%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jL2hQNyhXWEifU%2BVofGpjkAXAlEEIIZQLP4huvNq7r8%3D&reserved=0</a> > ----------------------------- С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком" +7(498)785-8-000 раб. +7(495)940-92-11 доп. +7(925)518-10-69 сот. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380419752%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jHLXsprtfuLAzqCgtQ5qSFTFw178lRlVDideyE%2Bj0cI%3D&reserved=0</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/kajtzu%40basen.net">https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Fkajtzu%2540basen.net&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ca05b8f661d7742fb1b9f08dc611cfe9f%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638492024380425235%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VHME8HuR%2FNnLvkb6zCkPAh9HffM2JPKoHqtofqHbbYI%3D&reserved=0</a><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></body></html>