<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=koi8-u"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> The IPv4-less LIR should be able to buy addresses on the market pretty much immediately. The going rate for a /24 seems to be somewhere between 6k and 12k USD depending (+ transaction costs) on RIR and some nondisclosed factors. Assuming the IPV4-less LIR is some kind of entity that needs, well, IPv4-addresses and has some kind of funding/revenue, I'd imagine that the decision in favor of acquiring addresses is quite straightforward.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> In that sense I do not understand the ones on the waitlist.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id="Signature"> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> <br> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Kaj</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br> </span></div> </div> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Dmitry Kohmanyuk <dk@hostmaster.ua><br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 17, 2024 17:14<br> <b>To:</b> Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy@kyivstar.net>; Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net><br> <b>Cc:</b> Kurt Jaeger <members-discuss@nepustil.net>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)</font> <div> </div> </div> <style type="text/css">  </style> <div> <div style="font-family:Arial">On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, at 14:56, Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" id="x_qt" style=""> <p align="Right" style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:10pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); margin-top:5pt; margin-right:5pt; margin-bottom:5pt; margin-left:5pt; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; text-decoration-line:none"> Confidential/��Ʀ��æ��<br> </p> </blockquote> <div style="font-family:Arial"><br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial">I love those confidential markings :)<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial"><br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" id="x_qt" style=""> <div> <div class="x_qt-WordSection1"> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt">Thank you.</span></span><br> </p> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br> </p> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt">I agree with you, today there is practically no sense in shifting between RIRs.</span></span><br> </p> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt">But if someone says you'll pay 10 times (or even bigger) what you pay today because the current fee is "simply unfair", inter RIRs transfer might be an option to think.</span></span><br> </p> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt">In that case everything will be fair. Small LIR will stay in RIPE with fair, per single IP, share of spends and big LIRs will receive registry services from other RIRs.</span></span><br> </p> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br> </p> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt">At least I don't see any other options to make everybody happy with fees.</span></span><br> </p> <p class="x_qt-MsoNormal"><span class="x_font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="x_size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br> </p> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div style="font-family:Arial"><br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial">And this is why we have this balance:<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial"><br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial">for a big IPv4 block LIR (from the RIPE region), it's very comfortable to stay in the RIPE region and save a lot of euros,<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial">for a smaller IPv4 block LIR, the cost of moving to ARIN or LACNIC is too high, and the risk is not worth the savings,<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial">For an IPv4-less LIR, there is no way to get these addresses faster anyway (they are on the waiting list).<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial"><br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial">So nobody leaves the big boy-friendly club, and those who have been staying for a long time enjoy the benefits of membership, meetings, training, Atlas, you name it. And the General Meetings, of course. (I enjoy it all, too.)<br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial"><br> </div> <div style="font-family:Arial">-- dk@</div> </div> </body> </html>