<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> </head> <body> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">Hi,</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Good points.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">On the topic of AFRINIC, I would slightly disagree. Membership<span style="font-size: inherit;"> numbers have been increasing from about 1200 in 2018-ish, when they restated revenue, at around 5.3M USD to the 6M-ish USD I mentioned in my previous email. I haven't actively been following the story there but assumed the legal troubles started FY2021-ish.. since revenue was restated, there was probably something else going on earlier. They spent about 140k on legal in 2022 although only non-audited numbers exist. I'm reading it as if the legal issues themselves did not affect revenue one way or another.<span></span></span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span></span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">As for RIPE, well, I'm advocating on spending less and crystallizing the value prop because right now it's all over the place.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <ol data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":1}" style="margin-block: 0px;" data-listchain="__List_Chain_83"> <li style="list-style-type: "1. ";"><span>LIRs [must] pay because they need the registry services</span></li><li style="list-style-type: "2. ";"><span>In exchange they get a ton of services that many do not use at all</span></li><li style="list-style-type: "3. ";"><span>All services and functions are necessary because [list with many reasons]<span></span></span></li><li style="list-style-type: "4. ";"><span>"We need to increase the fees because of 2 and 3"</span></li><li style="list-style-type: "5. ";">Goto 1</li></ol> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">That being said, the gym analogy someone replied with a few days ago is quite apt. Most people there, too, pay but do not use.</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">Kaj</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> </div> </div> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container" class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message"> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Kurt Jaeger <members-discuss@nepustil.net><br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 8:06 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net><br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) <div> </div> </font></div> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server"> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">[You don't often get email from members-discuss@nepustil.net. Learn why this is important at <a href="https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification">https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification</a> ]<br> <br> Hi!<br> <br> Thanks for writing up those stats.<br> <br> > Let's do some napkin math and comps with the other RIRs. [...]<br> ><br> > RIPE, revenue 38M EUR (40M USD), members 20k = 2 k/member<br> > ARIN, revenue 25M USD, members 25k = 1 k/member<br> > APNIC, revenue 33M AUD (21M USD), members 10k = 2 k/member<br> > LACNIC, revenue 10M USD, members 12k = 0.8 k/member<br> > AFRINIC, revenue 6M USD, members 2k = 3 k/member<br> [...]<br> <br> > Now, in my opinion, there are a few surprises.<br> > ARIN, located in a very expensive country, is quite efficient per member.<br> <br> I think one has to analyse if ARIN and RIPE do the same<br> when it comes to reach-out, research etc. I'm not sure<br> that ARIN is as active as RIPE is. Also: The language barrier<br> in the service area is much more difficult to traverse<br> than in the ARIN service area. And the RIPE has to cope with a<br> very difficult legal and political landscape compared to ARIN.<br> <br> > On the other hand, AFRINIC seems to be rather inefficient.<br> <br> I would not hold that against AFRINIC, given their legal and political<br> landscape.<br> <br> --<br> MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger Now what ?<br> Dr.-Ing. Nepustil & Co. GmbH fon +49 7123 93006-0 pi@nepustil.net<br> Rathausstr. 3 mob +49 171 3101372<br> 72658 Bempflingen<br> </div> </span></font></div> </div> </body> </html>