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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>does it mean, that everything decided before, should be correct and legitim? Either science is not so. They thought the world was flat and so on…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So you can not take everything as non changeable facts.. And here there many things, that they are from stone age.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And i am free not to accept the applicable and proposed charging schemes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I find that it is not fair. If RIPE is a organisation, which affects our freedom of our internet usage, than they should handle fair<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Many people dont and can not contribute. Because of many aspecsts, like language barriers of them etc. The desicions will be done often from very small part of the community, often as i see in the last years, for their own interests (i realize this is a generalization, but generally)..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=TR style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;background:white;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'>--<br></span><span lang=TR style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'>Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards<br><br></span><b><span lang=TR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:gray;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'>Murat TERZIOGLU</span></b><span lang=TR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:TR'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0581D0;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>PREB</span></b><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002D75;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>IT</span></b><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#0581D0;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>S</span></b><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002D75;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Bochumer Str. 20<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>44866 Bochum<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Deutschland<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Telefon: 0234/58825994<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Telefax: 0234/58825995<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><a href="http://www.prebits.de/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.prebits.de</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><a href="mailto:info@prebits.de"><span style='color:#0563C1'>info@prebits.de</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>USt-ID: DE315418902</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Michel Lanners<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 16. April 2024 13:22<br><b>An:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 16 Apr 2024, at 13:04, Firma KOMPEX <<a href="mailto:gabi@kompex.pl">gabi@kompex.pl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Of course the people at RIPE made mistakes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>May I remind you that address policy is decided in the working group of the same name, by the RIPE Community and not the RIPE NCC? RIPE Community is all of us, you included.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>RIPE NCC implements the policies the Community decides.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In the old days they issued /8, /12, /14, /16, /18, /20 without any justification and demand for IP addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you refer to the days before RIPE policies, then looking back from today, yes some assignments were quite generous, because it wasn’t envisioned that the Internet would become what it is today.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But as long as I can remember (and I’m not the youngest anymore!), policies were always there, and no, getting IP addresses was _not_ free beer for all.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Michel LANNERS</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>CIO at LU-CIX Management G.I.E.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.luxchat.lu/" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=390 height=122 style='width:4.0625in;height:1.2708in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://www.lu-cix.lu/LOGO/sign-20231207.png"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Mail: <a href="mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu" target="_blank">michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Luxchat: @3eb2pdflrq57:01.lu-cix.luxchat.lu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Phone: (+352) 28 99 29 92-81<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>LU-CIX Management G.I.E.</span></strong><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>202, Z.A.E. 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