<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"> <div class="WordSection1"> Gabriel<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> You�ve made multiple highly inflammatory and factually inaccurate statements about:<o:p></o:p> <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"> <li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">RIPE policies and how they are created<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">About RIPE staff<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">About other people�s businesses<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">About other people�s networks<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The European Union<o:p></o:p></li></ul> <o:p> </o:p> I�m not sure what you are trying to do, but it�s not particularly constructive. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Apart from anything else I�d respectfully ask you to tone it down, as I cannot imagine that this kind of commentary is particularly welcome by RIPE employees reading this list. While you may take issue with the proposed budget and want to vent your ire, the way you�ve worded some emails read to me like attacks on RIPE staff, which I do not think is �fair� either. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Michele<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -- <o:p></o:p> Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p> Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p> <a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p> <a href="https://blacknight.blog/">https://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p> Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p> Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a><o:p></o:p> -------------------------------<o:p></o:p> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Firma KOMPEX <gabi@kompex.pl> Date: Tuesday, 16 April 2024 at 10:35 To: 'Simon Lockhart' <simon@slimey.org>, members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. we still don't understand each other. European Union = equality and access to value for all on the same terms. IP addresses were wrongly issued. This is a fact. RIPE was not well run from its inception. Addresses at the beginning of the uprising were distributed without thought and by the wrong people who made mistakes. Addresses are a social good. There can be no question of who should pay how much and how to pay LIR fees. it should be fixed. IP Addresses access policies must be regulated. because they have run out. Lack of changes that will release frozen IPs and unused IP addresses will end up with statutory regulations and the creation of a law that will impose this on us if we do not regulate it ourselves. The current IP address management policy is unethical. It is discriminatory to both the currently emerging companies and their users. if there is discrimination, and in this case 100% there is, then this should be equalized immediately. Best Regard's/ Pozdrawiam Gabriel Sulka ------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Simon Lockhart Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:17 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals On Tue Apr 16, 2024 at 09:51:13AM +0200, m.terzioglu@prebits.de wrote: > RIPE is non-profit organisation but the small LIRs are paying for the > bigger LIRs. No - everyone is paying an equal share of the costs of running an Internet *Registry*. Long gone are the days where you can get IP addresses from RIPE (in any sensibly usable quantities). RIPE is a Regional Internet *Registry*, not an IP shop or IP broker. Using the land analogy, you don't go to RIPE to buy land, you go to RIPE to register your (ownership/claim on) land. I don't know about other countries, but in the UK we have the UK Land Registry where you register your land. If you want to buy land, you go to an estate agent. Whilst the UK Land Registry has a scale of registration costs based on the value (note, value not size) of land, it's not a very wide scale. If you want more IPv4 space, you don't go to RIPE, you go to an IP broker (or purchase it privately). Once you've done that, you register your claim to those IPv4 addresses with RIPE. I cannot think of any pricing model for RIPE which would result in RIPE suddenly having lots of IPv4 addresses which can be re-distributed to LIRs. Pretty much every proposal that has been posted over the last few weeks seem to have an undertone of "Look, here's some LIRs who have lots of IPv4 space. Wah, it's not fair, and I want some of it for cheap from RIPE". 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