<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Hi,</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> With different types of fiduciary duty, one puts the beneficiaries' interests before one's own; yes, this is clear. The fiduciary is the individual director. The beneficiaries are the membership and the organization. To the best of my knowledge the EB members do that well; the individual members put the memberships' and organization's interests before their personal interests.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> As to whom the EB reports to and is responsible (= accountable) to - it is the membership, not the organization. The membership appoints a person to the EB to represent their interests as well as to manage and oversee the organization. Then, in RIPE's case the EB distributed the day-to-day management of the organization to the management team keeping oversight. Were this some kind of corporate structure (LLC, PLC, ..) rather than association, the word membership would be replaced by the word shareholders.</div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Kaj </div> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;"> <div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 15:52 To: Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Re: Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals</div> <div style="direction: ltr;"> </div> Kaj If you are on the Board of a company / organisation you have a fiduciary responsibility to it. That’s crystal clear to me. Yes, Board members are meant to represent our interests and we can choose to replace them if we are unhappy with their performance. 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I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. <div style="padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223);"> From: Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net> Date: Friday, 12 April 2024 at 13:44 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>, members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Re: Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals </div> <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 202, 202); margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; padding: 12pt; border-width: 1pt; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(255, 202, 202);"> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. </div> Hi, Yes, it we chose to read different parts of the same page. The words "board members are fully responsible towards the RIPE NCC membership" look pretty clean cut to me. Remember, one cannot really serve two masters. One must choose one to avoid agency issues. Kaj <div align="center" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 48px;"> <hr align="center" style="width: 100%;"> </div> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2024 15:27 To: Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Re: Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals <table align="left" style="display: table; width: 100%; box-sizing: border-box; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="background-color: rgb(166, 166, 166); padding: 5.25pt 1.5pt; width: 3.35pt; height: 31px;"> </td> <td style="background-color: rgb(234, 234, 234); padding: 5.25pt 3.75pt 5.25pt 11.25pt; width: 456.85pt; height: 31px;"> You don't often get email from michele@blacknight.com. <a href="https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification" id="OWA973e5315-22db-b264-49bf-f052bf6cbb4c" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">Learn why this is important</a> </td> <td style="background-color: rgb(234, 234, 234); padding: 5.25pt 3.75pt; width: 7.8pt; height: 31px;"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Kaj The RIPE NCC Executive Board’s role is fairly well explained on the RIPE site: <a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/" id="OWAee396ce0-dcfb-c61e-4299-ed29c28e1844" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="FIFCmgZA4oWcaarkjvPBCGEEQ49EpQxmFHJ9FBQGH4XI+LL/9PZdBQRrMXsUupC4iPoIMX1eMKgKBziET5I9FRPoyHe4YU3ELPw/WKezLaYtXU/pcWrHeJnMhUqSQ7Hlp4/WcOAc/0bh5B/XetQGkp9Try13nA5AawoPGofYNcU=" originalsrc="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/" data-auth="Verified" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/</a> They *represent* the members, but they are *responsible* to/for the organisation Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains <a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" id="OWA4bed818d-1f33-a1e6-4a4b-2697fb23fc30" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="CcfMpSCEFUwn665/T1+SwNE/0pCzetS76QeeA+EmJN/w9UNK9HbfvWr74HRHCl29nMw++qMl7OrqRpUpg7beGvC95da14woxK0Whf3DdYjt7OmakO0DYsVbDaUzKfG+sA8LqQZ7lsyA/xFi4dv9z6H9Db5D8cDyMYSaNhH7wSwA=" originalsrc="https://www.blacknight.com/" data-auth="Verified" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://www.blacknight.com/</a> <a href="https://blacknight.blog/" id="OWAb999786a-f2b6-236a-08a4-ffac0170eaa6" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="Z7u5U1Tjc/PSOh6Bw6vbJBZo2kNZDoot+RSZnZSBSDefKQQ52l5zt7KGA4Tb68NBY0AGgPHsGGhxLJ3B2EdMD4FBPVbnFkMXOPt5YRXsPdilPUedTFdZ2rA5FHvnMpnW5f4V/S3h77Vtixxqx4/C+sRILwmyelIoE52jMrapeiQ=" originalsrc="https://blacknight.blog/" data-auth="Verified" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://blacknight.blog/</a> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/" id="OWA5ebdd60e-b14e-35e7-29ad-31a5f97abd95" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="GEX9laV7cHus3bihT0rlu8oAjpW2GbZcS9Xr/yfFgeyULhT/lwgvjFO27G6+2Qn0l37OBnRHbm4rqEJj+S1Gp1KE+2ECyMGXbqM7bvPSIpUcW4NkXnAK8JhyxCIJBtfo0ez2u60idnYqiOyIJ+1LBZ1Ohc2KcTPWV9qwZDqe/6Q=" originalsrc="https://michele.blog/" data-auth="Verified" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://michele.blog/</a> Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/" id="OWAb02ff438-abea-2f1a-075e-f961626324d0" class="OWAAutoLink" shash="a97ZWh8oCVbZ/dfF0wDkReMX3cGbPmxC0Hid1kiHWx+guovvRpWUGxu9eD0Zf/yarQY0MSDbJeQo3kxuz1Jwk8FMNPqyEIerc33HUvuY5AFEUtSxfQ4T6kIAUaddORjmTkILj0lbXT0doPZ58CsK5Twsb/eXLVKAhuaOZ/p57NQ=" originalsrc="https://ceo.hosting/" data-auth="Verified" data-loopstyle="linkonly" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://ceo.hosting/</a> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. 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