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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="monospace">Moin,<br>
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am 12.04.24 um 10:16 schrieb Tobias Fiebig via members-discuss:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">By analogy, we can't afford an all-inclusive package holiday, we just
want to hire a car!
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You are not _required_ to become an LIR / member. You can always enter
an agreement with an LIR that they will handle registration services
for you, holding the registration rights in trust, putting a MNT-BY for
you on the object, delegating rDNS etcetc.</pre>
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Erm, PI space is for End Users only, so as an ISP one would need
PA space <br>
and for business security reasons one would not want to rely on
leased PA <br>
of another LIR that would be gone if the LIR would cease to exist.
Thus, <br>
in all practical ways, if you're not an End User, you _are_
required to <br>
become an LIR to secure "your" address space.<span
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">We, the membership, voted for a set of activities; The board now</pre>
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No, that's the main point, we didn't get to vote on activities in
the last <br>
AGM – see Gert's mail the other day –, although we've had the same
discussion <br>
about the budget being too high last Spring.<br>
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Last Spring we were told 'now' is not the time to discuss the
activities <br>
nor the budget, 'now' is just the time to discuss how to break
down the <br>
budget in membership fees.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">We ordered the cake, we have to pay the cake.
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Well, not exactly; somehow the uproar regarding the Charging
Scheme for <br>
2024 last Spring did not lead to changes to the cake recipe.<br>
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So, yes, we now have to pay for the cake the Board ordered in good
faith <br>
for us, but I *do* expect that this Autumn at last the Board will
put <br>
forward a poll on which services and activities should be
discontinued <br>
in order to down-size the cake^Wbudget.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">But starting
the discussion after ordering the cake is somewhat difficult.</pre>
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That's why I question if that model is still wise; second year in
a row <br>
in Spring a lot of members wonder why fewer and fewer members have
to <br>
pay an ever increasing bill for a cake they only got a mouthfull
of ...<br>
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Regards,<br>
-kai<span style="white-space: pre-wrap">
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