<div dir="auto">So much action, iam listening 👂 </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But will anything change, i doubt it, prices only go up ⬆️ <br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div style="color:rgb(11,83,148);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr style="height:88pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.656;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="https://www.aeserver.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/RQQ6140/logo-aeserver-final.png" width="96" height="89"></a></span></p></td><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font color="#cc0000"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap"><b>MUNIR BADR</b></span></font></p><span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font color="#cc0000"><span style="font-size:9pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Book A Call:</span><span style="font-size:9pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></font><span style="font-size:9pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><a href="https://calendly.com/aeserver" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Click here</a></span><br></p></span><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><font color="#cc0000">Sales Hotline:</font></span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(166,28,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">800 123 123</span></font></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.44;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/AEserver/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/X87cNSW/facebook.png"></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/aeserver" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/PtLjz7w/twitter.png"></a> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/aeserver/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/XY0qPKH/instagram.png"></a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeserver/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/RQNVxch/linkedin.png"></a></p></td></tr></tbody></table><table style="border:none;border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr style="height:88pt"><td style="vertical-align:top;padding:5pt"><a href="https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-ae/news-and-trends/the-recap-the-e-business-awards-2023/447514" target="_blank"><img src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4xmFC8iDH--vQej5xiNpi3JSuy6i2kfoo5aWrGK8eXZXxOHqfKuY2B414SmylLzkP5XaE0tbcc" width="420" height="67"></a><br></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 15:46 Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf <<a href="mailto:ripe-members@sebastian-graf.at">ripe-members@sebastian-graf.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Dear Tobias,<br>
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<p>><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">... which last year were equally strong against the proposed per-</span><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">resource/category charging model.</span></p>
<p><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Looking back at the disucssion and the calculator linked at <a href="https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/charging-scheme-2024-consultation/" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/charging-scheme-2024-consultation/</a></span></p>
<p><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">Its evident that the vote really was 3 options that where more all expensive than the existing fee, or keeping the fee the same.</span></p>
<p><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">So i would say members last year voted for "no increase in expenses". This did not mean explicitly mean "no resource based model", as the only option for a resource based model was also more expensive.</span></p></div><div>
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<div>On 4/12/24 12:17 PM, Tobias Fiebig via
members-discuss wrote:<br>
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<pre>Dear Sebastian,
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<pre>Evendientally if you look at this discussion and the ones i see going
on via other channels, this is a misunderstanding on your part.
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<pre>So far, I do see a lot of opinions...
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<pre>no 'per resource' charging scheme, if I remember correctly.
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<pre>Just because for one year, members opted not do do tesource based (by
vote) does not mean that there may not be any resource based models
in the future.
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<pre>... which last year were equally strong against the proposed per-
resource/category charging model.
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<pre>I see you misunderstood the point.
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<pre>All i see is one LIR/member suggesting to another LIR/member (wich
has the same rights/voting power/.....): I dont think it makes sense
for you, you should really just pay me instead of being a member.
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<pre>Oh, but I am happily buying the RIPE cake with all its implications.
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<pre>I dont think any of us get to make the judgement of what is the right
reason/model/buisness type to be a ripe member. If all the members
are equal with regard to the ncc, then we also have to accept tat
there are different viewpoints that do not nessecarily allign with
ours. As such, If enough people now want Y instead of X like it was
in the past, then this is a completely legimate thing.
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<pre>Let's try another example.
Imagine there was a football club in a small town, and each member gets
a pair of--limited availability--football shoes along with the
membership (and more if they do need more or the old ones break). The
membership costs EUR10/month. Now, a lot of people want those shoes and
join the club. Then, the club runs out of shoes.
The club, however, needs to raise the membership fee to EUR12/month, to
keep paying for the football field, the matches, the training sessions
etc. given increasing prices.
Some members now voice their opinion that the club should, instead
reduce the fee, as new members did not get shoes (in time), at least
for those who did not get shoes (or not that many). Instead, people
with a lot of shoes should pay more. Furthermore, it might be good to
consider getting rid of that large football field, and maybe costs for
reimbursing the trainers...
Now, I am there to play football, and not get shoes; However, if the
argument becomes--as often heard in this thread already--"we did not
get football shoes, but paid for them", I do indeed feel inclined to
suggest a visit to the Adidas Store down-town, which happens to have
readily available football shoes on sale (and rent).
Now, there can be a discussion on whether the club-house really _needs_
to be that expensive; However, when the discussion starts focusing on
the shoes, it seems to me that the discussion goes a bit besides the
point.
I am, by the way, still waiting for an illustration of "my own
interests". As I said, really curious what these might be.
With best regards,
Tobias
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