<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1>Hi,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>i dont understand, why RIPE try to punish the small providers, as a non-profit organisation. They are trying to punish the small providers and strengthen or favor big proividers. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>There are thousends of solution advices from members as i see. Many good offers but also examples from other RIRs. Why still try to monopolize the sector by doing this.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>For example:<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>IPv4 = IPv4 Allocations /24<o:p></o:p>MF = Yearly Fee<o:p></o:p>AF = Allocation Fee<o:p></o:p>PR = Percentage of the Yearly Fee to the Allocation Fee<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>IPv4 MF AF PR<o:p></o:p>-----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p>16384 1.875 1.228.800 %0,15<o:p></o:p>4096 1.875 307.200 %0,6<o:p></o:p>256 1.875 19.200 %9,7<o:p></o:p>16 1.875 1.200 %156<o:p></o:p>1 1.875 75 %2500<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>All the adviced models are very similar and as you can see, for the smaller providers it is so dependant.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>And another point is, that the adviced schemes are almost identical. What should be chosen, i am not sure.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>If needed, surely can be found many solution variations, and i am sure better than adviced schemes. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Instead of monopolizing the big providers, by advicing consolidation, you should provide some relif for small providers.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>And in all the adviced schemes the Yaerly Fee for every LIR account is too much for small providers… <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>-- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Bochumer Str. 20<o:p></o:p>44866 Bochum<o:p></o:p>Deutschland<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Telefon: 0234/58825994<o:p></o:p>Telefax: 0234/58825995<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><a href="http://www.prebits.de/">www.prebits.de</a><o:p></o:p><a href="mailto:info@prebits.de">info@prebits.de</a><o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>USt-ID: DE315418902<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Martin Millnert via members-discuss Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2024 14:43 An: Fergal Cunningham <fergalc@ripe.net> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>Dear Fergal,<o:p></o:p><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>I don’t envy the challenge of the board with this feedback, but I suspect it is wise to listen to it else the platform for new candidates to the board the next 5 years seems to be pretty straightforward and likely to be elected: Cost reductions.<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>As a side, doesn’t the articles of association allow for membership organized items for AGM to vote on as well?<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></div><div>Martin Millnert<o:p></o:p><div> <o:p></o:p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div>On 10 Apr 2024, at 15:38, Fergal Cunningham <<a href="mailto:fergalc@ripe.net">fergalc@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div>Dear Martin, The Executive Board decided on these draft options at its meeting on 25th of March. So now the Board and management will follow the feedback on the draft proposal on the list. They will decide by 24 April if these will be the final options to vote on at the GM or if they want to make amendments. So essentially the decision on what gets voted on at the GM is made by the Board. You can see the minutes from that meeting here (section 3.3 on the Charging Scheme): <a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2024/174th-executive-board-meeting-minutes/">https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2024/174th-executive-board-meeting-minutes/</a> And it's worth mentioning that this list is for members to discuss the issues while we and the board will listen. But we will of course reply and provide information to address the points raised if at all possible. All the best, Fergal <o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div>On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:41 PM <<a href="mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru">sdy@a-n-t.ru</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>Hi all! I want to ask add to vote variant D. All as was before+5% inflation and 10E per 1024 addresses IPv4 per year (counting at 31 december). Can we try to vote it too? > >> On 22 Mar 2024, at 15:27, Fergal Cunningham <<a href="mailto:fergalc@ripe.net" target="_blank">fergalc@ripe.net</a>> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> This Wednesday, 20 March, we held an Open House with members about the >> RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025. There was a presentation from RIPE NCC >> staff, including our CFO and Managing Director, as well as statements >> from both the Executive Board Chair and Treasurer. >> >> There was a productive discussion about the financial landscape we are >> operating in and thoughts about how best to fund the RIPE NCC. The >> Executive Board will meet on Monday and discuss what we heard this week, >> and they will decide on a draft charging proposal to put forward to the >> members in April. >> >> The session recording and the slides from the presentation are available >> at: >> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-2025/" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-2025/</a> >> >> At the bottom of this mail you can find the timestamps for the sections >> of the presentation and Q&A. >> >> We greatly appreciate the input we received from members this week and >> the constructive nature of the discussions. We encourage you all to >> continue to discuss the charging scheme on this list. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Fergal Cunningham >> Head of Membership Engagement >> RIPE NCC >> >> Open House Timestamps >> >> 01:30 Welcome and Agenda, Fergal Cunningham >> 04:30 Development and History of the Charging Scheme, Fergal Cunningham >> 12:45 Consolidation and Inflation, Simon Jan Haytink >> 19:10 The Work We Need to Fund, Simon Jan Haytink >> 22:30 Summary and Key Questions, Hans Petter Holen >> 27:20 Statement from Executive Board Chair, Ondřej Filip >> 30:30 Statement from Executive Board Treasurer, Raymond Jetten >> 32:45 Q&A with RIPE NCC Members > > Dear Fergal, > > What is the formal process of deciding what options the AGM get to vote > at, during the upcoming AGM? > > > I would like to suggest a Consumer Price Index based re-indexing of the > costs, using standard European CPI numbers from Eurostat. We all have to > deal with increases in costs due to inflation, and it’s fair that RIPE > does not have to fight inflation alone. Yearly inflation as released in > March 2024 was at 2.4% — > <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-euro-indicators/w/2-03042024-ap" target="_blank">https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-euro-indicators/w/2-03042024-ap</a> > > Best regards, > Martin_______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> > Unsubscribe: > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/sdy%40a-n-t.ru" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/sdy%40a-n-t.ru</a> > ----------------------------- С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком" +7(498)785-8-000 раб. +7(495)940-92-11 доп. +7(925)518-10-69 сот.<o:p></o:p></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/martin.millnert%40brainmill.com">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/martin.millnert%40brainmill.com</a><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div><o:p> </o:p></div></div></body></html>