<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hello.<div><br></div><div>No, that’s a mistaken assumption that anyone expect that addresses will be just freed or returned to RIPE. No one said that (at least not me!). But this will a little bit motivate those who simply don’t need it to go and sell them, affecting market price.</div><div>Current price is based on fact there between very few to almost none supply in the market.</div><div><br></div><div>It will just become a little uncomfortable to keep /16 without intent to use them at some point. Im perfectly fine with that result, nothing more needed.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, if someone has ability to compose my offer as well as other offers from this mailing list into human readable article or presentation - please DM me, lets do it and present back to people here in normal form, non in form of trashy e-mails.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 10 Apr 2024, at 16:43, Daniel Pearson <daniel@privatesystems.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">IPv4 sells in the private market for
anywhere from $40-$50 per address.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">When a /24 is worth $10,000~</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">When a /22 is worth $40,000~<br>
When a /20 is worth $162,000~<br>
</div><p>Do you really think you will motivate someone to give them up by
charging 0.1 EUR per address?</p><p>That's just a fantasy. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/10/24 8:34 AM, Mihail Fedorov
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<div>Because it solves both purposes</div>
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<div>- some small motivation for unused “hoarded” IP address space
to be distributed back to those who suffer from total lack of
them - at least a little bit will go back to market. There are
still really A LOT of entities who hoard them not for the
purpose of need (now or in future, commercial or not), but ONLY
because some time ago v4 distribution was not managed properly.
This, per my opinion, should be somehow resolved.</div>
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<div>- small LIR’s without large clients or subnets should not
fund RIPE expensive projects on equal basis with
transcontinental corporations. Latter will easily agree on 100x
price increase just to knock off anyone else - still not even
notice this fee. But existing fee and its increase is more than
significant for smaller networks or someone trying to enter
market.</div>
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<div>What I see in proposed schemes is total lack of choice. Let’s
not pretend that increase to 1800, increase 1850 or increase to
1900 is actually a choice. It is not! And what I see in this
mailing list is that almost everyone agree with this fact.</div>
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<div>My initial proposal remains the same: 0.1 EUR (adjusted to
real RIPE financial needs) per v4 address in use. Absolutely
flat and fair. It will be eventually distributed up to the IP
end user by supply chain and be totally unnoticeable for them.</div>
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<div>At least there should be couple of more options in vote if
community opinion really counted. Otherwise vote is nonsense,
why it is needed at all?</div>
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<div>At least because large IP holders now have no
motivation to release them. The dependence of the
contribution on the number of addresses used will
give an additional incentive not to keep unnecessary
address space.</div>
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2024 г. в 22:59, Michel Lanners <<a href="mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu</a>>:<br>
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<div>Why on earth is everybody trying to
monetize IPv4, i.e. make RIPE fees dependant
on IPv4 ressources?</div>
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<div>I completely fail to see why anybody should
pay more for HOLDING any number of IPv4
ressources (or other ressources, by the way).</div>
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<div>It’s a different story for ressource
transfers. So let those selling IPv4 pay a fee
for the transfer! </div>
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<div>And for the rest let’s stick to a real
membership fee: one price irrespective of
which services you use or not. The fitness
center doesn’t charge you per minute, nor per
device you use. It's a flat membership, full
stop. Hopefully low enough so it doesn’t
create a problem for anybody's bottom line.</div>
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