<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=IT link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I totally agree with Adam.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There should be a division between the two activities with their budget.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>RIPE LIRs should already be able to cover “core” activities, but why should the LIR fee be increased for extras that are not required and necessary for everyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;font-size:pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam<br><b>Sent:</b> mercoledì 10 aprile 2024 16:02<br><b>To:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Charging Scheme 2025<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This is something I was thinking about as well, maybe it is time for RIPE to plan its budget and activities as:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- core (LIR related)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- extras (ripe atlas, k-root, etc)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Core activities is something that should be financed from members fees, while the extras either by voluntary member payments or external financing (sponsors).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 12.0pt;margin-left:9.6pt;margin-right:0cm'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id="MESSAGE_DATA_MARKER"></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Lu <<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To: </span></strong>Michel <<a href="mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu">michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Cc: </span></strong>members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Date: </span></strong>Wednesday, 10 April 2024 3:28 PM CEST<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Subject: </span></strong>Re: [members-discuss] Charging Scheme 2025<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi guys:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Either we accept higher membership fee or ask ripe stop services that not essential to the registration service, we can not have both here.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Stop service that is not essential will probably cut membership fee by 80%, ripe NCC please confirm the barebones cost of registration service alone.<br clear=all><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Lu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 15:58 Michel Lanners <<a href="mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu" target="_blank">michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Why on earth is everybody trying to monetize IPv4, i.e. make RIPE fees dependant on IPv4 ressources?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I completely fail to see why anybody should pay more for HOLDING any number of IPv4 ressources (or other ressources, by the way).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It’s a different story for ressource transfers. So let those selling IPv4 pay a fee for the transfer! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>And for the rest let’s stick to a real membership fee: one price irrespective of which services you use or not. The fitness center doesn’t charge you per minute, nor per device you use. It's a flat membership, full stop. Hopefully low enough so it doesn’t create a problem for anybody's bottom line.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Michel LANNERS</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>CIO at LU-CIX Management G.I.E.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.luxchat.lu/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=390 height=122 style='width:4.0583in;height:1.275in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://www.lu-cix.lu/LOGO/sign-20231207.png"></span></a><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mail: <a href="mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu" target="_blank">michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Luxchat: @3eb2pdflrq57:<a href="http://01.lu-cix.luxchat.lu" target="_blank">01.lu-cix.luxchat.lu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Phone: (+352) 28 99 29 92-81<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>LU-CIX Management G.I.E.</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/202,+Z.A.E.+Wolser+F?entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">202, Z.A.E. 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