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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kaj<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I suspect we won’t be able to agree on this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you try to find “ROI” in maintaining a free and open internet by supporting multistakeholder organisations (which includes RIPE) then you probably won’t be able to easily.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://michele.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black">I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 3 November 2023 at 07:14<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>, Erik Bais <ebais@a2b-internet.com>, Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Questions about the published Draft Agenda and Supporting Documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Yes, however, if we are on the outside looking at reducing costs, I do not think it is terribly unfair to go and ask questions like what
will one get for the amount spent on a line item, don't you agree?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">As for ISOC, the other RIRs seem to be in silver, bronze and copper categories which, I am guessing, have a lower cost than the highest
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Similarly, if ICANN had total revenue of 163 million dollars in 2022, mostly consisting of registry and registrar revenue (gTLDs), they
really do not need any voluntary financial support from someone else who could use that money better themselves (or not spend it at all). Unless of course we are wrong, and it is some kind of pay to play fee. Then one should be entitled to ask what one receives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kaj</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 2, 2023 19:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net>; Erik Bais <ebais@a2b-internet.com>; Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce@ripe.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Questions about the published Draft Agenda and Supporting Documents</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Kaj</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ICANN and ISOC as well as some other organisations should be supported by RIPE. They might not be “perfect” but they are a large part of the reason why we are able to continue doing
what we do without more regulation. At a technical level ICANN and IANA coordinate the allocation and management of names and numbers ie. IP addresses. The RIRs are not “obliged” to financially support ICANN (it’s NOT sponsorship), but they do so because they
believe in the system (warts and all). The multistakeholder model of internet governance which we all benefit from is not perfect, but as long as it works and is supported then we hopefully won’t be regulated out of existence.
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Personal blog: </span><a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0563C1">https://michele.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Some thoughts: </span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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