<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>First of all I want to point out that I think at least the charging scheme proposal that was just a 5% increase was basically the option to compensate for inflation.</div><div><br></div><div>We also have to remember that the Executive Board has a very difficult job to balance everything.</div><div>Especially when just a small minority of the membership votes on things and an even smaller minority gives them actual input on mailing lists and in open house sessions.</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect that a large reason for why so many members don't vote is just that they have better things to do and they trust the executive board to responsibly manage the association.</div><div>This is largely why I personally don't think they should even have offered a charging scheme that they knew would likely result in the NCC being underfunded.</div><div>But I also understand why they added it so I don't want to go too hard on them because it is a very difficult task.</div><div><br></div><div>-Cynthia</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:19 PM Brandon Butterworth <<a href="mailto:hostmaster@bogons.net">hostmaster@bogons.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:<br>
> Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us?<br>
<br>
It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing<br>
membership and increasing costs.<br>
<br>
It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view<br>
on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however<br>
they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail.<br>
<br>
> I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way:<br>
> - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent<br>
> - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on<br>
<br>
The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation<br>
and reducing membership is a problem.<br>
<br>
RIPE set themselves up to fail.<br>
<br>
If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I<br>
would probably have voted yes.<br>
<br>
Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would<br>
reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps<br>
in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their<br>
newly aquired addresses.<br>
<br>
However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme<br>
<br>
This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing<br>
membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly<br>
larger fees in future years too.<br>
<br>
So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need<br>
to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than<br>
expect us to just carry on paying more.<br>
<br>
> Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense.<br>
<br>
It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled<br>
not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes.<br>
<br>
brandon<br>
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