<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">+1 !<div><br></div><div>Well said<br><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">---</span><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">for every complex problem, there’s a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">Op 14 jul. 2023 om 18:44 heeft Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> het volgende geschreven:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>First of all I want to point out that I think at least the charging scheme proposal that was just a 5% increase was basically the option to compensate for inflation.</div><div><br></div><div>We also have to remember that the Executive Board has a very difficult job to balance everything.</div><div>Especially when just a small minority of the membership votes on things and an even smaller minority gives them actual input on mailing lists and in open house sessions.</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect that a large reason for why so many members don't vote is just that they have better things to do and they trust the executive board to responsibly manage the association.</div><div>This is largely why I personally don't think they should even have offered a charging scheme that they knew would likely result in the NCC being underfunded.</div><div>But I also understand why they added it so I don't want to go too hard on them because it is a very difficult task.</div><div><br></div><div>-Cynthia</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:19 PM Brandon Butterworth <<a href="mailto:hostmaster@bogons.net">hostmaster@bogons.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:<br> > Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us?<br> <br> It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing<br> membership and increasing costs.<br> <br> It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view<br> on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however<br> they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail.<br> <br> > I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way:<br> > - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent<br> > - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on<br> <br> The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation<br> and reducing membership is a problem.<br> <br> RIPE set themselves up to fail.<br> <br> If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I<br> would probably have voted yes.<br> <br> Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would<br> reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps<br> in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their<br> newly aquired addresses.<br> <br> However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme<br> <br> This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing<br> membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly<br> larger fees in future years too.<br> <br> So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need<br> to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than<br> expect us to just carry on paying more.<br> <br> > Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense.<br> <br> It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled<br> not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes.<br> <br> brandon<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re</a><br> </blockquote></div></div> </div></blockquote></div></body></html>