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I understand his message quite well.</div>
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For IPv6 the smallest category in proposed charging model A was moved from a /31 to a /29 because of complaints and because (in my very subjective and cynical opinion) it isn't really material to the discussion. I guess everyone got a /32 originally but RIPE
reserved a /29 or so for each organization. At some point they then started asking directly whether one would like to get a /29.</div>
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As the largest or equal billing category will win, the invoicing will for the majority involve their IPv4 allocations. This is the basis of the budget. If someone(s) happen to have a larger IPv6 billing category it won't be but a drop in the big pond.</div>
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For IPv4, at the time of RIPE-159, the initial allocation really was a /19. I remember it well... and the assignment windows and the IP police we all loved and cherished.😉 But changing to that would ruin the billing model and, of course, this exercise.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Andreas Grabmüller | QuarIT GmbH <a.grabmueller@quarit.de><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 4, 2023 18:58<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Hello Brian,<br>
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I don't really understand your argument. So yes, if you have been a member<br>
for a long time you have received a bigger allocation. But either you use<br>
that allocation, then there's no argument. Or you don't use it - then give<br>
back what you don't need.<br>
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Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Brian<br>
Turnbow via members-discuss<br>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2023 18:57<br>
An: RIPE member discuss list <members-discuss@ripe.net><br>
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft<br>
Charging Scheme Models 2024<br>
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Hi,<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for this link.<br>
> <br>
> Also I've noticed that in ARIN,<br>
> /20 up to and including /18 plus /32 up to and including /28 are <br>
> referred as SMALL, with a fee of $2000, not $4000+ as proposed in model A.<br>
> <br>
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What makes the pay per category model "A" as proposed impossible for me to<br>
vote for is it penalizes all long standing lirs.<br>
When I started working with Ripe you signed up completed the forms and a<br>
/19 was allocated, more if you could demonstrate need but /19 was default.<br>
You then requested an AS.<br>
Run out came along and you could get a last /22 together with your v6<br>
allocation.<br>
So that adds up to a /19, /22, AS and /32(or /29) That should be the bare<br>
minimum for small as it is what any long standing lir has with Ripe, yet<br>
they would now find themselves in category 6 at the high end of the scale.<br>
It does not mean they have more revenues than a lir started in say 2018 with<br>
much less IP resources, just that they started first.<br>
Note that I am not talking about the company I work for, we have more<br>
resources than those stated above, but I know several companies that fit<br>
into the category.<br>
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Brian<br>
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