<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Commenting on the size distribution of LIRs and the consequence for the charging model:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 13 Apr 2023, at 16:51, Ondrej Zajicek <santiago@crfreenet.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 04:16:42PM +0000, Kaj Niemi wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br><br>Well. It’s slightly different but…. I think the real issue at hand is still that topline is made to fit the projected – the word “intended” comes to mind – budget.<br><br>A "normal" LIR, which I would imagine there are many of amongst the membership, with:<br><br><br><br> * an IPv4 /21 assigned 20-ish years ago<br> * an IPv4 /22 assigned from 185/8<br> * one ASN<br> * one IPv6 /32 assigned 20-ish years ago because they truly believed IPv6 is superior in all aspects and everyone would rush to deploy it immediately<br></blockquote><br><br>Hi<br><br>According to data from Appendix 1 of Model A charging scheme, there is<br>only 9.5 % of such 'normal' LIRs, while 46.7 % LIRs has just one /22,<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My bet is that a large portion of these 46,7% became LIR with the sole purpose of obtaining that single /22 for later monetisation. These LIRs will fade away over time as they sell their IPs or merge.</div><div><br></div><div>Certainly not all are in this case; we do see a number of enterprises going the LIR route to become multihomed with own IP addresses. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>so it is clearly advantageous variant for median LIR (as 6.2 % LIRs<br>has just one /23).<br><br>So my image of 'normal' LIR is someone who did not bother to become LIR<br>in the past, just used LIR services of its upstream, but when noticed<br>that it cannot get more addresses that way anymore, it becomes LIR<br>itself.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Largest number is not the same as normal. LIR’s actually using their IP space is closer to my definition of normal as in “expected behaviour”.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div> <br> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'tahoma' , 'new york' , 'times' , serif;"> <div><strong>Michel LANNERS</strong></div> <div>CIO at LU-CIX Management G.I.E.</div> <div>--</div> </span>     <span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'tahoma' , 'new york' , 'times' , serif;"> <div>Mail: <a href="mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu" rel="noopener nofollow noreferrer" target="_blank">michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu</a></div> <div>Phone: (+352) 28 99 29 92-81</div> <div>LU-CIX Management G.I.E.</div> <div>202, Z.A.E. Wolser F</div> <div>L-3290 Bettembourg</div> <div><a href="https://www.lu-cix.lu" target="_blank">lu-cix.lu</a></div> <div><a href="https://luxembourg-internet-days.com" target="_blank">luxembourg-internet-days.com</a></div> <div><a href="https://www.lunog.lu" target="_blank">lunog.lu</a></div> </span> </div> <div><br></div><br></body></html>