<html><head><style id="outgoing-font-settings">#response_container_BBPPID{font-family: initial; font-size:initial; color: initial;}</style><meta http-equiv="Content-Security-Policy" content="script-src 'self'; img-src http: https: cid: data:;"></head><body style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-image: initial; line-height: initial;"><div id="response_container_BBPPID" style="outline:none;" dir="auto" contenteditable="false"> <div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;"> Hello all,</div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;"><br></div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;">I 100% agree with Elvis!</div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;"><br></div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;">Best regards,</div><div name="BB10" id="BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;">Matej Serc</div> <div name="BB10" id="response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%;"> <br style="display:initial"></div> <div id="blackberry_signature_BBPPID" name="BB10" dir="auto"> <div id="_signaturePlaceholder_BBPPID" name="BB10" dir="auto">Sent via <a href="http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackberry.hub">BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android</a></div> </div></div><div id="_original_msg_header_BBPPID" dir="auto"> <table width="100%" style="border-spacing: 0px; display: table; outline: none;" contenteditable="false"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="padding: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;"> <div style="border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-image: initial; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, "BB Alpha Sans", "Slate Pro"; font-size: 10pt;"> <div id="from"><b>From:</b> elvis@v4escrow.net</div><div id="sent"><b>Sent:</b> 14. marec 2023 19:30</div><div id="to"><b>To:</b> sander@steffann.nl</div><div id="cc"><b>Cc:</b> simon@ripe.net; members-discuss@ripe.net</div><div id="subject"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <br> </div></body></html><br><br><div dir="auto">Hi,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">the RIPE NCC budget has increased yearly for the past 10+ years. A non-for-profit registry that could operate with less than €20mil ten years ago needs more than twice the amount of money ten years later. Something has gone wrong if the organization spends twice as much money to offer similar services (sometimes of a poorer quality) to its members.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Most of the members NEED to pay a membership fee to the RIPE NCC because they can not get the registration services anywhere else. The non-for-proffit organization called the RIPE NCC is a monopoly that now spends €40m a year. So, today members are forced by the NCC to choose from a bad charging scheme and an even worse one. They will pay more yearly regardless of whether they need more or less services from the NCC.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I really believe a better accountability on what the NCC is planning to spend €40mil/year is needed before we vote on new charging schemes or price increases.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">FYI, I looked at the budget the NCC had over the past 10+ years, collected the number of FTEs and the CAPEX:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2012, ripe-544: 129 FTEs, 19,16 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2013, ripe-558: 135 FTEs, 18,5 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2014, ripe-598: 136 FTEs, 20,8 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2015, ripe-630: 136.1 FTEs, 20,66 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2016, ripe-662: 141 FTEs, 22,32 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2017, ripe-671: 148.5 FTEs, 25,11 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2018, ripe-693: 155.2 FTEs, 26,89 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2019, ripe-711: 165.1 FTEs, 31,60 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2020, ripe-735: 165.1 FTEs, 34,44 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2021, ripe-750: 170 FTEs, 33,56 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2022, ripe-773: 186 FTEs, 35,60 mEUR</div><div dir="auto">2023, ripe-786: 190.6 FTEs, 40,00 mEUR</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Something happened in 2016-2017 that caused the NCC to increase the amount of money they need, dramatically. And since then, as no one seemed to make enough noise, the NCC and the Board kept increasing the budget until we got to this amount… €40mil. So, the budget doubled in 2023 when compared to 2015, I wonder why...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At every RIPE Meeting there’s at least one person asking the NCC to find a way to spend less, and then the NCC and the Board ignore all that ‘noise’.</div><div dir="auto">Why a registry of IP addresses and AS Numbers needs to spend 40 million EUR per year is beyond my comprehension. Why the NCC needs 200 FTEs in 2023 when they were doing just fine (or even better) doing a similar job in 2013 with just 135 is also unknown. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’d suggest to the MD, the CFO and the Board to go back to the drawing board and figure out why the budget keeps going up. The services offered (those that 99% of the membership care for) are less and less (no one can get IPv4 anymore, they ask for an IPv6 allocation and an ASN and never come back to bother the NCC again… the price paid for membership should go down and not up.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I understand and agree that staff’s salaries should be increased because of the galloping inflation. What I do not understand is why the budget increased from €20m to €40m in less than 10 years… there must have been other reasons too.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I reject both charging scheme proposals.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">my 2 cents,</div><div dir="auto">Elvis</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 02:02 Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Hi,<br> <br> > On a side note, I also feel that the RIPE NCC’s budget is getting a bit out of control. RIPE NCC is primarily an Internet Registry, and I would like to see focus concentrating on Registration Services, and less on anything else. I understand that the RIPE NCC is in a useful position to do nice research projects, represent the internet community etc. But looking at the budget it looks like the rest of the organisation is growing much faster than the registry function. I therefore also object to the €450 price increase in model 1.<br> <br> I had a chat with Hans Petter the other day, and he informed me that a significant part of the budget increase is caused by increasing staff salaries. Considering the recent inflation and economic circumstances I fully approve that. So if the fee increase is used to improve working conditions for RIPE NCC Staff, which are an important part of our community, I am perfectly fine with that!<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Sander<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elvis%40v4escrow.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elvis%40v4escrow.net</a><br> </blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">This message was sent from a mobile device. Some typos may be possible. </div>