<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> </head> <body> <div dir="ltr" style=""> <div style=""></div> <div style=""> <div>I would kindly note that the assumptions regarding future fiscal years’ budgets (2023 onward) vary somewhat from the realized budget. Is it better to work with the wrong pre-assumptions made some years ago or with the actual numbers in the same situation?</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div>At least to me, when reading that PowerPoint, it seems like people at the top and everyone who saw that presentation had to be aware of a potential future budget deficit. <span style="font-size: inherit;">Rather than rein in on expenditure in time, it has instead increased since.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: inherit;"><br> </span></div> <div><span style="font-size: inherit;">Calling "comment on two billing models exercise" as something else than "finding a way to raise prices that can be agreed on by most" seems to me as somewhat intellectual dishonesty.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Now, if indeed the 2024 budget will be on the level of the 2024E budget mentioned in the presentation, yes, we can all stop here.<span style="font-size: inherit;"> </span><span style="font-size: inherit;">I apologize for wasting everyone’s time and bandwidth. :)</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span></span></div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">Kaj</div> <div><br> </div> <div style="direction:ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div> </div> <div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container" class="ms-outlook-mobile-reference-message"> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Nick Hilliard <nick@netability.ie><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 9, 2023 5:54 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Kaj Niemi <kajtzu@basen.net><br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 <div> </div> </font></div> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Exchange Server"> <font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt;"> <div class="PlainText">Kaj Niemi wrote on 09/03/2023 13:59:<br> > Still, when the CFO equivalent for an organization comes asking for <br> > alternatives on how to raise prices to meet projected future budget from <br> > its customers (membership) I think it is super useful to look critically <br> > at what that organization spends its revenue on.<br> <br> This mischaracterises where this discussion is coming from. The aim is <br> not to find some new way to raise prices - that can be done in the <br> existing model by just raising the prices. This discussion is the <br> continuation of a community engagement process started in 2021, and <br> outlined here:<br> <br> > <a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Fnovember-2021%2Fdocumentation-and-archive%2Fripe-ncc-charging-scheme-models.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7C767d28c64afb4fee08f708db20b69032%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638139740715680312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kVRDUgKUo96PCROWibFFFGlp83WA0W11YTmVyocMZDw%3D&reserved=0" style=""> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Fnovember-2021%-and-archive%2Fripe-ncc-charging-scheme-models.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7C767d28c64afb4fee08f708db20b69032%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638139740715680312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kVRDUgKUo96PCROWibFFFGlp83WA0W11YTmVyocMZDw%3D&reserved=0</a><br> <br> I.e. it's the outcome of a member's survey initiated in 2020 on what <br> people wanted from the RIPE NCC. Page 3 includes:<br> <br> > Survey Findings<br> > • There was a clear majority in favour of charging based on resources held<br> <br> So, the membership wanted a discussion on the pricing model, and this is <br> now where we are.<br> <br> In relation to the activity plan, the RIPE NCC presents this <br> centre-stage to the membership every year. Here's the FY2023 Plan:<br> <br> > <a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Foctober-2022%2Fdocumentation-and-archive%2Fdraft-ripe-ncc-activity-plan-and-budget-2023&data=05%7C01%7C%7C767d28c64afb4fee08f708db20b69032%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638139740715680312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DmgStRGF9A2zSyXjd2BkqZ0bhnpFmMNr8CleKp2Hr8g%3D&reserved=0" style=""> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Foctober-2022%2Fdocumentation-and-archive%2Fdraft-ripe-ncc-activity-plan-and-budget-2023&data=05%7C01%7C%7C767d28c64afb4fee08f708db20b69032%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638139740715680312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DmgStRGF9A2zSyXjd2BkqZ0bhnpFmMNr8CleKp2Hr8g%3D&reserved=0</a><br> <br> There's a breakdown of costs on Page 6. I agree that it's important to <br> discuss this too, but it's a separate discussion which can easily be <br> decoupled from a pricing model.<br> <br> Nick<br> </div> </span></font></div> </div> </div> </body> </html>