<html><body><style type="text/css">  </style><div id='d_1674049238515' style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace; font-size:11.0pt; color:#1F497D"><p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Hi Sander,</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">While reading your email I noticed that you may be making an error in interpreting the CoC, or at least leaving it ambiguous as to what you mean.</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">You reproduce the "examples of positive behaviour" and the following statement that "Behaviours that undermine our values are unacceptable and will not be tolerated".</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Next you refer to "the points mentioned above", which creates the impression that you believe communication that does not align with the given "examples of positive behavior" is also communication that "undermine[s] our values" and therefore breaches the CoC.</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">I don't think that follows from the CoC as what follows the statement that "Behaviours that undermine our values are unacceptable and will not be tolerated" is "Below are some examples [of behaviours that undermine our values]".</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">So, there exists a (very wide) range of communication that doesn't align with the given "examples of positive behavior", nor with the given "examples [of behaviours that undermine our values]". Let's call this "neutral" communication.</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">This may explain the discrepancy you complain about. If I have interpreted your message incorrectly I apologize but suggest you clarify.</p> <br> <div id="signature-x" style="-webkit-user-select:none; font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace; font-size:11.0pt; color:#1F497D"><div id="nine_body_n18565d-f648c" class="mce-content-body mce-edit-focus nine_body" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;line-height:1.3" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-family:'courier new' , 'courier' , monospace">-- </span><br /><span style="font-family:'courier new' , 'courier' , monospace">Regards,</span><br /><span style="font-family:'courier new' , 'courier' , monospace"> Terrence de Kat, PhD/MTh/BPsy</span><br /><span style="font-family:'courier new' , 'courier' , monospace"> Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.</span></div><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-family:'courier new' , 'courier' , monospace"><br /></span></div><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-family:'courier new' , 'courier' , monospace">Please quote relevant replies.</span><br /></div><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-family:'courier new' , 'courier' , monospace"><br /></span></div></div></div></div></div><div class="quoted_separate_body"/><div id="quoted_header" style="clear:both;"><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 18 January 2023 14:08<br><b>To:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net; exec-board@ripe.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [members-discuss] Board minutes regarding investigation<br></span></div></div><br type='attribution'><div id="quoted_body"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi board, <br> <br> I am looking at the minutes of board meeting 163, and I have a few questions. <br> <br> The minutes state that "The investigation was tasked to identify whether there have been violations of the RIPE NCC Code of Conduct”. At the last AGM I asked if there was a Code of Conduct for board members, and as far as I remember there wasn’t any. So which Code of Conduct do you refer to here? If it is different from the RIPE Code of Conduct please provide either a link or the full text. <br> <br> Looking at the RIPE Code of Conduct, which applies to all of us in this community, it identifies some examples of positive behaviour, like accepting differing viewpoints and experiences, being considerate and showing empathy towards others, especially when disagreeing or raising issues, and giving/receiving feedback or suggestions in a positive way. It follows with "Behaviours that undermine our values are unacceptable and will not be tolerated." <br> <br> I have personally definitely seen behaviour contradicting the points mentioned above from the board member in question (and I have heard many others express the same) but apparently they ARE now being tolerated. Please explain this discrepancy between the Code of Conduct and the outcome of this investigation. <br> <br> The goals of the Code of conduct are to help everyone feel safe and included and to make everyone aware of expected behaviour. As far as I can see we have failed on both accounts here… <br> <br> Sincerely, <br> Sander Steffann <br> <br> PS: just to make sure, who actually performed the investigation? I assume it was a completely independent party with no previous, current or future ties to the RIPE NCC, financial or otherwise. Please confirm. <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________ <br> members-discuss mailing list <br> members-discuss@ripe.net <br> https://mailman.ripe.net/ <br> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/terrence%40darkness-reigns.com <br> </p> </blockquote></div></body></html>