<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;"><div>Hi Hans:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Your email below does not deal with the issue of why an RIR attempted to appoint ATU members as directors or why AFRINIC applied to be specialised agency of United Nations in an attempt to gain diplomatic immunity. This is imposing government control over an RIR. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Your email below is designed to confuse. I am not saying RIR community should not engagement government, in fact, government is part of the community in the muti-stake holder model which I support. The only body to ask for government control have been RIR's.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The issue is very simple, once it was revealed what AFRINIC was attempting to hand control over to governments, the issue was exposed exposed and unfortunately the community has not had a satisfactory response why this was done. <br></div><div><br></div><div>As you have been unable or unwilling to answer the simple point of why RIR's themselves have asked to hand control over to governments and specifically: <br></div><div><br></div><div>a) why did AFRINIC attempt to appoint intra-governmental representatives to their board<br></div><div>b) why did RIR CEO's attempt to claim diplomatic immunity.<br></div><div><br></div><div>We know that the RIR's attempted to conceal these actions so I accept the questions and answers maybe difficult, but the community needs answers. Now is a good opportunity for the discussion these matters. <br></div><div><br></div><div id="x_221665707"><div style="color: rgb(0,0,0);font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: small;font-style: normal;font-weight: 400;letter-spacing: normal;orphans: 2;text-indent: 0.0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;widows: 2;word-spacing: 0.0px;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" dir="ltr"><table style="font-size: small;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;padding-bottom: 7.0px;"><table style="line-height: 1.6;font-family: sans-serif;font-size: 11.0px;color: rgb(78,75,76);padding-left: 2.0px;width: 425.0px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;"><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px">Lu Heng</span></span></b></span><br></div><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">Chief Executive Officer </span></span></span> <br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)">LARUS Limited</span></span><br></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;border-top: 5.0px solid rgb(69,102,142);line-height: 0.0px;"><br></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;padding-bottom: 7.0px;padding-top: 5.0px;"><table style="line-height: 1.6;font-family: sans-serif;font-size: 11.0px;color: rgb(78,75,76);padding-left: 2.0px;width: 425.0px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;"><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">Email </span></span></b></span> H.Lu@LARUS.net<span class="font" style="font-family:arial, serif"><a style="color: rgb(17,85,204);" href="mailto:a.yan@outsideheaven.com" target="_blank"> </a></span><br></div><div>Office<span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px"> </span></span></b></span><a style="color: rgb(78,75,76);font-family: sans-serif;font-size: 12.0px;" href="tel:+852+29888918" target="_blank">+852 2988 8918 </a></span> <br></div></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b>Address</b></span></span> A3<span class="font" style="font-family:arial, serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T, Hong Kong SAR</span></span><br></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b>Website: LARUS.net</b></span></span><br></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="color: rgb(0,0,0);font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: small;font-style: normal;font-weight: 400;letter-spacing: normal;orphans: 2;text-indent: 0.0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;widows: 2;word-spacing: 0.0px;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" dir="ltr"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"PT Sans", "Myriad Pro", Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12.8px">This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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In fact, the opposite is true.</span></span><br></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span><br></p><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">We have made serious efforts over the years to explain why we interact with governments, and we have been very open about those interactions. I will go further and say that our long-standing and productive relationships with governments throughout our service region have been an important factor in maintaining the current RIR system and mitigating threats to that system.</span></span><br></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span><br></p><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">The message we have always put to governments is that the current system works well and that it should not be changed. We also make it clear that we welcome participation from governments as key Internet stakeholders. So while Lu might see our government interactions as something to be suspicious of, I take a different view. If we do not involve governments in our community, they will be more likely to act without reference to the experience and knowledge of our community.</span></span><br></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span><br></p><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">We are also open about our interactions with both governments and the ITU. Just last week, we published a detailed article about our work at the recent ITU Plenipotentiary in Romania[1]. And for the sake of clarity, I will confirm that at the ITU meeting, we were approached by a Dutch government representative who invited US and UK government representatives to discuss the AFRINIC situation. At that meeting, I introduced them to the AFRINIC CEO, and he gave an update. I do not think that this was inappropriate or should come as a surprise. The RIPE NCC position on this is still the same as we published last year[2]. </span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">This week, we will present on our recent interactions at the ITU and UN developments during the Cooperation Working Group at RIPE 85[3]. Submitting such a talk at a RIPE Meeting is a strong signal that we are more than willing to discuss our interactions with governments in open forums in order to make sure that our work in this area is as transparent as possible. And I reiterate that our goal has always been to ensure governments make decisions based on the facts, and our underlying message is that the current RIR system works well and is worth maintaining. </span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Regards,</span></span><br></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span><br></p><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Hans Petter Holen</span></span><br></div><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Managing Director</span></span><br></div><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">RIPE NCC</span></span><br></div><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span><br></p><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">[1]</span></span><a href="https://labs.ripe.net/author/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/reflections-on-the-itu-plenipotentiary-conference-2022/" style="text-decoration: none;" class="" target="_blank"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u style="vertical-align: baseline;white-space: pre-wrap;">https://labs.ripe.net/author/suzanne_taylor_muzzin/reflections-on-the-itu-plenipotentiary-conference-2022/</u></span></span></span></a><br></div><div style="line-height: 1.38;margin-top: 0.0pt;margin-bottom: 0.0pt;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">[2] </span></span><a href="https://labs.ripe.net/author/hans_petter_holen/supporting-the-internet-number-registry-system/" style="text-decoration: none;" class="" target="_blank"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u style="vertical-align: baseline;white-space: pre-wrap;">https://labs.ripe.net/author/hans_petter_holen/supporting-the-internet-number-registry-system/</u></span></span></span></a><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">[3] </span></span><a href="https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/coop-wg/" style="text-decoration: none;" class="" target="_blank"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u style="vertical-align: baseline;white-space: pre-wrap;">https://ripe85.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/coop-wg/</u></span></span></span></a><br></div></span><div><br></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><br class=""></div></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote class=""><div class="">On 21 Oct 2022, at 15:32, Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@larus.net" class="" target="_blank">h.lu@larus.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 10.0pt;" class=""><div class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Dear RIPE community and RIPE NCC members:</span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">You may be well aware of RIPE NCC management's refusal to acknowledge the serious governance issue in AFRINIC and the fact that </span><span class="size" style="font-size: 12pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">the management keeps involving itself closely with governmental bodies, </span><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">ever since the miscarriage of their NRO letter to make AFRINIC a specialized agency of United Nations.</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Recently, during the ITU Conference, it is said that the RIPE NCC management team seemed to have approached the American government and European Union government as a means to interfere with the ongoing matters.</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">As someone who has had engaged closely with the community for many years, I believe it is of utmost importance for the community to be aware of the seriousness of the matter, and a frank </span><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">discussion</span><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> is more than necessary in the upcoming RIPE meeting.</span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For RIPE NCC to make their case of seems deep interference with government and for me to exchange with the community any views and differences.<br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">My dispute with AFRINIC (despite it is sub-judice), is essentially a "policy dispute" between members of RIR and the RIR management. Court pocceding is also part of bottom up community driven process when the dispute can not be resolved </span><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">amicably.</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">However, NRO's request to make RIR an ITU-like body, and RIPE NCC's </span><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">apparent</span><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> consistent engagement with government officials to interfere in the matter, I think it is high time for the community to be aware of, discuss and decide whether such involvement is proper in a community driven, bottom-up registry who has been independent of governmental influences for more than three decades</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">I have submitted an lighting talk for the plenary and got rejected. I have attached the rejection letter here for your perusal. It is disconcerting to me because the matter is of utmost urgency and importance for the community and the RIR system.</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">The purpose of the current letter is to re-state my intention of an open, frank, heart-to-heart discussion with the community. I will appreciate if any working group chair can pick up the subject and do an BoF during the working group sessions.</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">I believe the graveness of the issue requires such a discussion - transparency and </span><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">accountability</span><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> are the two core values of this community.</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:Roboto"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Here is the letter I received:</span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class="x_804172864zw-paragraph"><br></p><div class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">Dear Lu Heng,</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">We regret to inform you that your Lightning Talk submission for RIPE 85 titled 'A difficult reality' has not been accepted into the Plenary session.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">From the PC's perspective the presentation does not fit the RIPE plenary. If your submission refers to the role of the RIPE NCC, then we suggest the NCC Services WG as the appropriate venue to start this discussion.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">If you want to have a discussion about the RIPE community as a policy making body, then we feel the RIPE community plenary is the right place to go.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">Thank you,</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">Franziska Lichtblau</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">on behalf of the Programme Committee</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="x_804172864webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">My reply:</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">Hi</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">The presentation is about ripe community’s view on current actions taken by NRO and RIPE NCC.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">The matter is extremely serious and I believe ripe community should be aware.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">And yes, this is about where boundaries of ripe community policy making and how many people should be aware and participate community.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">I feel current ripe community is not truly inclusive enough for every internet user aware.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">I think best we have a frank discussion and inform the community, rather have me go to some channels of communication, and community might feel not informed and asking why.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">And THIS IS REALLY NOT ABOUT NCC SERVICE.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="x_804172864EOP"> </span><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0pt;line-height: 1.2;text-align: left;direction: ltr;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" class=""><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arimo"><span class="size" style="font-size: 9.75pt; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: 0pt; font-weight: 400; vertical-align: baseline; font-style: normal;">If PC have future questions welcome to send me zoom link to discuss.</span></span></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="x_804172864zmail_signature_below"><div id="" class=""><div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: small;font-style: normal;font-weight: 400;letter-spacing: normal;orphans: 2;text-indent: 0.0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;widows: 2;word-spacing: 0.0px;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" dir="ltr" class=""><table style="font-size: small;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;padding-bottom: 7.0px;" class=""><table style="line-height: 1.6;font-family: sans-serif;font-size: 11.0px;color: rgb(78,75,76);padding-left: 2.0px;width: 425.0px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;" class=""><div class=""><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:18px">Lu Heng</span></span></b></span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">Chief Executive Officer </span></span></span> <br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)">LARUS Limited</span></span><br class=""></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr class=""><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;border-top: 5.0px solid rgb(69,102,142);line-height: 0.0px;" class=""><br class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;padding-bottom: 7.0px;padding-top: 5.0px;" class=""><table style="line-height: 1.6;font-family: sans-serif;font-size: 11.0px;color: rgb(78,75,76);padding-left: 2.0px;width: 425.0px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;" class=""><div class=""><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">Email </span></span></b></span> <a href="mailto:H.Lu@LARUS.net" class="" target="_blank">H.Lu@LARUS.net</a><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, serif"><a style="color: rgb(17,85,204);" href="mailto:a.yan@outsideheaven.com" target="_blank" class=""> </a></span><br class=""></div><div class="">Office<span class=""><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px"> </span></span></b></span><a style="color: rgb(78,75,76);font-family: sans-serif;font-size: 12.0px;" href="tel:+852+29888918" target="_blank" class="">+852 2988 8918 </a></span> <br class=""></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b class="">Address</b></span></span> A3<span class="font" style="font-family:arial, serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12px">, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T, Hong Kong SAR</span></span><br class=""></td></tr><tr class=""><td style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;margin: 0.0px;" class=""><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(69, 102, 142)"><b class="">Website: <a href="http://LARUS.net" class="" target="_blank">LARUS.net</a></b></span></span><br class=""></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: small;font-style: normal;font-weight: 400;letter-spacing: normal;orphans: 2;text-indent: 0.0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;widows: 2;word-spacing: 0.0px;background-color: rgb(255,255,255);" dir="ltr" class=""><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"PT Sans", "Myriad Pro", Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12.8px">This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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