<html><head></head><body style="zoom: 0%;"><div dir="auto">Yeah, if You mean about postponing payment questions, which directly affects voting-members, right, they should not vote and this should not spread Any nondemocratic clues. </div> <div dir="auto">I would agree, we need 2% of members agreement to add questions ? Do ripe voting procedure even having a way to exclude partial Group of members ? This would be even more interesting to make a legal-bound voting procedure. </div> <div dir="auto">Else we need 100% members voting to change voting procedure itself to include excluding-voting procedure. </div> <div dir="auto">Havent studied RIPE procedures so deeply yet, but in coming days i think this will be needed. </div> <div dir="auto">Either way, it is all so pathetic. Would rather this war would never happen. And what I worry most, is not that war started, but I worry most how it will end in the all aspects. Our economies Was already hit by covid, and we will feel second, even stronger wave of economy crisis. In just 30 days we welcomed 2 millions of refugees here in Poland. And inflation Was already challenging. </div> <div dir="auto">Any other questions should be included in next voting? </div> <div dir="auto">What about response to Russian own RIR forming ? Should ripe answer accordingly? I think yes. </div> <div dir="auto">Pobierz aplikację <a href="https://bluemail.me">BlueMail dla systemu Android</a> </div> <div class="gmail_quote" >W dniu 23 mar 2022, o 23:58, użytkownik Serg Galat <<a href="mailto:greysticky@gmail.com" target="_blank">greysticky@gmail.com</a>> napisał: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="blue">Dear Piotr, I agree, positive, not the same democratic way. But exclude interest conflict. Anyway, I do not insist. About you question - <a href="https://stat.ripe.net/special/country-report">https://stat.ripe.net/special/country-report</a>/ On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:30 PM Piotr Karwowski <piotr@karwos.hk> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> I would feel very bad other way to discriminate any Group of members. I think the actual situation is pure patethic. I think we should proceed with voting with all LIR, but think about questions first. Do we have some table with stats - how many there are LIR per country in ripe domain ? Pobierz aplikację BlueMail dla systemu Android W dniu 23 mar 2022, o 12:25, użytkownik Serg Galat <greysticky@gmail.com> napisał: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> Dear Piotr, RIPE as a community can solve this by voting on two positions: 1. Should RIPE NCC allow russian LIRs to postpone their payments? 2. Should RIPE NCC allow ukrainian LIRs to postpone their payments? Ukrainian and russian LIRs shall not vote in this poll. Let the community to decide. On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:43 PM Piotr Karwowski <piotr@karwos.hk> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> Do not forget that eventually voting might be disrupted. I do not know exact numbers of RIPE members per country, but I think Russia might have quite high numbers of them. Then we can have situation just like in United Nations, when Russia can simply make a veto. And now we clearly see - UN Was established after WW2 to not repeat history and attentuate all eventual conflicts at its first stages. Veto way make UN completly useless organization now. Any way to check how many members we have in RIPE per country , Pobierz aplikację BlueMail dla systemu Android W dniu 21 mar 2022, o 12:51, użytkownik Stary Bezpiek <stary.bezpiecznik@gmail.com> napisał: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> W dniu 19.03.2022 o 06:59, Taras Heichenko pisze: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> Peace. I am glad to see that RIPE NCC is legally clean. There are questions about humanism but of course this is not a cope of work of RIPE NCC. </blockquote> In my opinion - it is not. RIPE NCC claims to operate in accordance with its own policies, that are created by the community. Meanwhile, we have a selective treatment of Members in terms of payments without: a) RIPE NCC resolutions b) without annexes to contracts with users. c) policy change Neither the Agreement nor the existing policies allow for discretionary behavior like "this user may not pay, and others must" without formal authorization. Of course Ukraine as an attacked country can and must be treated with any aid, including exemption from payments, when possible. But it has to be passed by a resolution of the RIPE NCC ordinance. The resolution may contain one sentence: "We do not issue invoices to Ukrainian members until the end of the war." Vote: who is in favor? All? The End. On the other end is Russia, as a country that has been subject to sanctions. It should not be of our interest, that they cannot pay. In result, recognizing that Russia users may not pay, because they have "banking difficulties" means, that no one from Russia will pay. Without any consequences. Although they probably can pay. Letting go at this point is very unfair to other Members. I also have a difficult in payment because the Euro exchange rate is very high. Does it interest someone? -- Stary Bezpiecznik <hr> members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/piotr%40karwos.hk">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/piotr%40karwos.hk</a> </blockquote> <hr> members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/greysticky%40gmail.com">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/greysticky%40gmail.com</a> </blockquote></blockquote> </blockquote> </pre></blockquote></div></body></html>