<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi there,<div class=""> </div><div class="">Nobody here is talking of excluding Russia from RIPE, you get it all wrong.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">We are discussing the regional ENOG community which united Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian etc operators on the horizontal level.</div><div class=""><div class="">Russia is still the part of the RIPE community.</div></div><div class=""><div class="">Operators continue working.</div></div><div class="">Interaction through the RIPE mechanisms remains.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">The only thing which disappeared - the friendship. Something you cannot force to exist.</div><div class="">Thus, probably it is time to divide ENOG to, say, UANOG and RUNOG or something like. <div> <blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 5 Mar 2022, at 11:52, NOC.xervers <<a href="mailto:noc@xervers.pt" class="">noc@xervers.pt</a>> wrote:</div> <div class=""><div style="zoom: 0%;" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I've kept away of all this discussion. </div> <div dir="auto" class="">Despite I condemn all sort of violence, attacks, war, etc... I don't think or agree that Russia should be excluded from RIPE. </div> <div dir="auto" class="">Don't condemn the people for their government actions. </div> <div dir="auto" class="">Note: RIPE is not and should not take part of political issues or decisions. RIPE should always be kept independent and neutral. </div> <div dir="auto" class="">That is my opinion. It's not our job to play God. </div> <div dir="auto" class="">Had this said, stop harassing members and ask to take actions on unrelated political problems. </div> <div dir="auto" class="">My taughts are with Ukrainian people and Russian people that fight their government. </div> <div dir="auto" class="">Peace for all. </div> <div class="gmail_quote">Em 5/03/2022, em 10:43, "Mikael mk. Krantz" <<a href="mailto:mikael@noackgroup.se" target="_blank" class="">mikael@noackgroup.se</a>> escreveu:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="blue">I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes. The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children. And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work! -- Stary Bezpiek Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй! W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia. 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Registered in England 7360277. *From:*members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <<a href="mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru" class="">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> *Cc:* ENOG <<a href="mailto:enog@ripe.net" class="">enog@ripe.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org" class="">discuss@enog.org</a>; Members Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme Committee <<a href="mailto:pc@ripe.net" class="">pc@ripe.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:support@voks.ua" class="">support@voks.ua</a>; ENOG Programme Committee <<a href="mailto:pc@enog.org" class="">pc@enog.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net" class="">exec-board@ripe.net</a> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation. Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <<a href="mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru" class="">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> wrote: Спасибо, что поправили. ? С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58 <a href="http://www.medsi.ru/" class="">www.medsi.ru</a> <<a href="http://www.medsi.ru/" class="">http://www.medsi.ru</a>> -----Original Message----- From: <a href="mailto:ripe@voks.ua" class="">ripe@voks.ua</a> [<a href="mailto:ripe@voks.ua" class="">mailto:ripe@voks.ua</a>] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <<a href="mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru" class="">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <<a href="mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com" class="">nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net" class="">exec-board@ripe.net</a>; ENOG <<a href="mailto:enog@ripe.net" class="">enog@ripe.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org" class="">discuss@enog.org</a>; Members Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme Committee <<a href="mailto:pc@ripe.net" class="">pc@ripe.net</a>>; ENOG Programme Committee <<a href="mailto:pc@enog.org" class="">pc@enog.org</a>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли? -- <a href="http://www.voks.ua/" class="">www.voks.ua</a> <<a href="http://www.voks.ua/" class="">http://www.voks.ua</a>> On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > <a href="http://www.medsi.ru/" class="">www.medsi.ru</a> <<a href="http://www.medsi.ru/" class="">http://www.medsi.ru</a>> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" class="">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: <a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net" class="">exec-board@ripe.net</a>; ENOG <<a href="mailto:enog@ripe.net" class="">enog@ripe.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org" class="">discuss@enog.org</a>; > Members Discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme Committee > <<a href="mailto:pc@ripe.net" class="">pc@ripe.net</a>>; ENOG Programme Committee <<a href="mailto:pc@enog.org" class="">pc@enog.org</a>> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > ><hr class=""> > > members-discuss mailing list > > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> > > Unsubscribe: > > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40</a> > > nu > > <a href="http://clearcat.com/" class="">clearcat.com</a> <<a href="http://clearcat.com/" class="">http://clearcat.com</a>> > ><hr class=""> > members-discuss mailing list > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> > Unsubscribe: > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro</a> u > <a href="http://p.ru/" class="">p.ru</a> <<a href="http://p.ru/" class="">http://p.ru</a>> <hr class=""> > members-discuss mailing list > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> > Unsubscribe: > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua</a> <hr class=""> members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail</a> .com <hr class=""> members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stary.bezpiec" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stary.bezpiec</a> znik%<a href="http://40gmail.com/" class="">40gmail.com</a> </blockquote> <hr class=""> members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alex%40mac3.ru" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alex%40mac3.ru</a> </blockquote><hr class=""> members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40xervers.pt" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40xervers.pt</a> </pre></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> https://mailman.ripe.net/ Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/asemenyaka%40ripe.net </div></blockquote></div> </div></body></html>