<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Stuart,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> You were asked to go to the sandbox where your friends are at, but you still keep spamming the list, go spam Ripe as you wrote and leave us alone please.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Respectfully,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elad<br> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Stuart Willet (primary) <stu@safehosts.co.uk><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 1, 2020 2:11 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [members-discuss] Good to know</font> <div> </div> </div> <style>  </style> <div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="x_WordSection1"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Elad,</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Why do you hate IPv6 so much?</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">How does a person become “related” to IPv6?</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Why can you not simply accept that your ideas are flawed, they simply cannot be implemented no matter how many times you say you will get it done if you are elected.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">It’s the same as me saying if I get to be chair, everyone can have a free router hardware upgrade.<br> As RIPE chair I will just make Juniper, Cisco et-al provide the equipment free of charge because it will make the internet better.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">With the power of the RIRs no manufacturer can say no.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I’m sure you will say this is a personal attack on you, or that I am part of an IPv6 conspiracy, or I have secret dealings with a spam blacklist company.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Bottom line is, you have proved yourself to be unfit for office.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">You tell members to go sit in a corner, that RIPE is corrupt, you show no respect for anyone with an opinion different to yours.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I cannot think of a worse candidate.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">The only possible good that has come from your posting is you alerting people to just how dangerous a person you would be if given any kind of power.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I am now, like so many others, off to file a complaint about you to RIPE.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Stuart Willet.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Elad Cohen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 01 May 2020 12:03<br> <b>To:</b> Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Good to know</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">----<br> "</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">My personal experience - if the idea(technical) is really good, worked <br> out in detail and well prepared -</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">it will be accepted from anyone.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">"</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">----</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">This list showed to you that anyone related to IPv6 will resist IPv4+ , an idea can implement changes that will hurt people enjoying from the current state (such as IPv6 deployers).</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Respectfully,</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Elad</span></p> </div> <div class="x_MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"> <hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"> </div> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Denys Fedoryshchenko <<a href="mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com">nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 1, 2020 1:56 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Good to know</span> </p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 2020-05-01 13:33, Elad Cohen wrote:<br> > Craig,<br> > <br> > You are the one currently personally attacking and I'm asking from<br> > you to stop and not to spam the list, all I did was to make 3 posts<br> > regarding what I will show in the General Meetings and then I was<br> > personally attacked.<br> > <br> > ---<br> > If someone feels so strongly about current issues, and has ideas on<br> > how to combat them, they don't need to be elected to the RIPE NCC<br> > board to realise their ideas.<br> > ---<br> > In reality, in order to make an idea come true - power is needed - in<br> > this case the power of Ripe and power of the other RIR's which are<br> > connected to Ripe, you are only attacking and you have no clue in what<br> > you are writing, in how to implement new methods, in how to change<br> > habits. Without me being in the Ripe Board the ideas will not come<br> > true and no one else will push them.<br> As far as I know, Internet standards are accepted collectively, and this <br> does not require person to be internet czar.<br> My personal experience - if the idea(technical) is really good, worked <br> out in detail and well prepared -<br> it will be accepted from anyone.<br> And almost always in the process of technical discussion in relevant <br> workgroups, ideas are adjusted and finalized.<br> Can we see somewhere a previous technical discussions, in relevant <br> workgroups, where all these proposals<br> were discussed, improved and seems rejected for an apparently unfair <br> reason?<br> <br> And, in general - trying to force on everybody technically poorly <br> thought-out decisions using power -<br> is an extremely bad idea.<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io</a></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>