<div dir="auto">please do note that RIPE is a community. The RIPE NCC is who you get IP space from.<div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">- Cynthia</div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, 01:07 Hans Govenius, <<a href="mailto:Hans.Govenius@devnet.fi">Hans.Govenius@devnet.fi</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div lang="FI" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="m_1603716457617659822WordSection1"> Hello I am not even remotely interested about those links. I am not even remotely interested if any or all people on this list do different illegal or any actions. That is not any of my concern and I wont use my time to read them. Only the following matters: <ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"> <li class="m_1603716457617659822MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm">People in general have right to opinions and right to express them. If they are deflamatory to the degree that they are illegal, which is a not easy to achieve it is the job of law enforcement and judicial institutions to look into those allegations and take necessary actions. Not Ripe as Ripe is an organization you are forced to be part of if you need ip resources. Therefore its not a club of people who wants to be together. </li><li class="m_1603716457617659822MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm">I have never before this day hard of this Elad and what I have now witnessed is more like that he is being unfairly attacked</li><li class="m_1603716457617659822MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm">Criticism and investigations are important. I did also at one point raise questions of RIPE´s finances which are not very transparent. If someone is critical towards spamhouse, I don’t see problem here. Its an opinion and as far as its not illegal it must be tolerated.</li></ol> I will not comment on this ridiculous matter anymore. Br. Hans <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> Lähettäjä: members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> Puolesta Silvan Gebhardt Lähetetty: maanantai 27. huhtikuuta 2020 1.36 Vastaanottaja: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Aihe: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails </div> </div> <tt>Hello Hans, </tt> <tt>Have you looked at the links alistair posted, </tt> <tt>let's pick this:</tt> <pre><a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2020-April/001384.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2020-April/001384.html</a></pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>here Elad both insults people constnatly in this thread, and showing screenshots of where he "indentified people as antisemits" - and shows as "Proof" another email, with no source, so for all we know, Elad has written himself. <a href="https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz</a> <- so he produces his own "proofs"</pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>And why do I think Elad wrote that himself? because he has been called out on his IP adress missapropriation as you can see, if you read this. And this level as shown in this imgur link is beyond waht's acceptable.</pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>So he produces his own sources, where he does personally affect peoples to the level of calling things.</pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>I have to disagree with you, I consider Elad as harmful and personally attacking people constantly. I do support the stance of Cynthia here and hope the RIPE community can take a stance here against the bullying of Elad. </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>I've seen how things progressed here, from a ususal trolling because people did not take any of Elads proposal serious as they very - in my personal opinion - over the top. </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>But it has progressed to Elad attacking people on a level that is not acceptable for this community. </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre>I would again like to stress that Elad wants to be elected as RIPE chair. So are we, as a community, remotely considering someone with this singificant bullying behaviour into a chair of RIPE? Someone who calls everyone that does not agree with his opinion illegal, and beeing engaged in illegal options, and he also refers to mental health of others, as seen in other </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <div> On 4/26/20 10:16 PM, Hans Govenius wrote: </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Hello This is ridiculous and out of the question. Its completely out of order to even discuss such actions. These points which he brings to the discussion are atleast somewhat within the scope of matters that could be discussed on a Ripe members list. Its not like Elad would be speaking of ice bears or meatballs here. If someone does not like to discuss things – get out of the list. Its that simple. I don’t take any position on these spam or ipv matters as I don’t have sufficient technical knowledge to either disagree or agree with them but its great that someone tries to come up with something and also I usually prefer if people try to advance things rather than block them. Now lets everyone be civil here and give everyone a voice. br. Hans Lähettäjä: members-discuss <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"> <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a> Puolesta Cynthia Revström Lähetetty: maanantai 27. huhtikuuta 2020 1.03 Vastaanottaja: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; RIPE NCC Support <a href="mailto:ncc@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><ncc@ripe.net></a> Aihe: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails <div> Hello, <div> </div> <div> I would like to request that Elad Cohen be blocked from sending to the members-discuss mailing lists after multiple offtopic threads started by Elad and the personal attacks and ignoring WG chairs telling Elad to stop. </div> <div> </div> <div> I would further like to point out that as he is a confirmed candidate for the Exec Board, one of his key responsibilities would be to have the "Ability to communicate effectively", which he has shown that he is not capable of. </div> <div> I would personally say that elad lacks most of the expectations listed on <a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/ripe-ncc-executive-board-functions-and-expectations" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/ripe-ncc-executive-board-functions-and-expectations</a>. </div> <div> </div> <div> I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying. </div> <div> </div> <div> - Cynthia </div> </div> <pre>_______________________________________________</pre> <pre>members-discuss mailing list</pre> <pre><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></pre> <pre><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a></pre> <pre>Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/silvan%40unavailable.online" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/silvan%40unavailable.online</a></pre> </blockquote> </div> </div> _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re</a> </blockquote></div>