<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I also agree with Alex.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"if its not in use, means you are not using it, aren’t u supposed to give it back to RIPE".</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This make a lot of sense to me, because these resources (ip ranges, asn) are RIPE property.</div><div dir="auto">Brokers and companies are making a lot of profit selling these...</div><div dir="auto">Even the "selling" word is wrong. If they are "selling", the ips shouldn't become property of the buyer?? I guess it's more a loan. No?</div><div dir="auto">This is something I would like to hear from RIPE NCC and members.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The RIPE contract is very clear to me. RIPE loans the resources and these resources can be transferred only in specific cases. If a LIR doesn't need a resource, this must be taken back to the pool...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When I see the ipv4 transfer... i am disgusted! So many persons/companies wanting to "sell" ips that are in fact ripe property. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This list in my opinion, should exist yes, to sell/buy ips that are NOT RIPE property.</div><div dir="auto">I am sure that if RIPE take some actions on this, there will be enough IPv4 addresses for everyone till IPv6 be fully deployed. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am sure that I will be crucified here for what I said... and I am sure that who will crucify me will be a broker or a entity that makes profit from RIPE resources.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My 2ct</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><div>-------- Mensagem original --------</div><div>De : Architecture Iq Data Srl <office@architekiq.ro> </div><div>Data: 27/04/20 08:30 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>Para: members-discuss@ripe.net </div><div>Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails </div><div><br></div></div>Hi.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>This is my first post to the mailing list and I only did it because you guys are flooding my mailbox. This doesn’t look like a group of professionals, its looking like my kid’s school Whatsapp group.</div><div class="">I have to agree with Mr. Hans Govenius, I don’t know Elad or are technical enough to speak on the matter but what I know and experienced is that existing IPv6 is worse than theoretical IPv4+. It was launched several years ago with bells and whistles but was managed poorly and years later big companies ended up with 1 digit subnets while small ones had to come with justifications over justifications.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IPv6 was implemented by RIPE so well that their own employees left be became brokers (isn’t that like insider trading?). We are now left with a marketplace to buy or sell IPs which is ridiculous because when you transfer an IP range it must not be in use, so how the hell can someone transfer a /16 or more ( if its not in use, means you are not using it, aren’t u supposed to give it back to RIPE?). Transfers should have only been allowed if entire LIR/company was bought, which makes more sense.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>So in conclusion IPv6 might be the future but it was never a solution, it’s even worse that this IPv4+. So far IPv4+ did not make IPv4 prices reach the sky, now-a-days it costs more to expand a subnet than to upgrade a router.</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">regards</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">—<br class="">Alex<br class=""></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Apr 2020, at 06:39, Ed Campbell <<a href="mailto:campbell@inca.ie" class="">campbell@inca.ie</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I support this. He has taken to emailing me directly with his conspiracy theories. <br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 26 Apr 2020, at 23:04, Cynthia Revström <<a href="mailto:me@cynthia.re" class="">me@cynthia.re</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hello,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would like to request that Elad Cohen be blocked from sending to the members-discuss mailing lists after multiple offtopic threads started by Elad and the personal attacks and ignoring WG chairs telling Elad to stop.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would further like to point out that as he is a confirmed candidate for the Exec Board, one of his key responsibilities would be to have the "Ability to communicate effectively", which he has shown that he is not capable of.</div><div class="">I would personally say that elad lacks most of the expectations listed on <a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/ripe-ncc-executive-board-functions-and-expectations" class="">https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/ripe-ncc-executive-board-functions-and-expectations</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Cynthia</div></div> <span class="">_______________________________________________</span><br class=""><span class="">members-discuss mailing list</span><br class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></span><br class=""><span class=""><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a></span><br class=""><span class="">Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/campbell%40inca.ie" class="">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/campbell%40inca.ie</a></span><br class=""></div></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">members-discuss mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br class="">https://mailman.ripe.net/<br class="">Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/office%40architekiq.ro<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>