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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Show me how to “software update” my BT modem to accept iPv4 (rhetorical)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m sorry, but you have had plenty of feedback from lots of people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You refuse to see the obvious, nobody is going to spend the man hours required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I am now respectfully bowing out, I have wasted enough time on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please feel free to tell people I am part of an IPv6 conspiracy against you, but also accept that this is nonsense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stuart Willet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Elad Cohen [mailto:elad@netstyle.io]
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<b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2020 11:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Stuart Willet (primary) <stu@safehosts.co.uk>; Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <gert@space.net>; members-discuss@ripe.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">But you didn't understand IPv4+ based on what you are writing or you are trying to influence the readers...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">First fully understand something, then decide if you are against it or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">"</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">you want millions of dollars spent on millions of upgrades for a handful of new IPv4 addresse</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">No hardware upgrades will be need, only software updates and the software developers (operating system vendors and routing equipment manufacturers) will receive incentives. End-users
/ companies / organizations - will need to invest nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Elad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Stuart Willet (primary) <<a href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk">stu@safehosts.co.uk</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io">elad@netstyle.io</a>>; Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">
members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You have not convinced me, I make no money from IPv6.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have no incentive to push IPv6 or downplay IPv4 or IPV4+</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Your idea is flawed and that’s that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sorry,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Stuart Willet.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Elad Cohen [<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io">mailto:elad@netstyle.io</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2020 11:00<br>
<b>To:</b> Stuart Willet (primary) <<a href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk">stu@safehosts.co.uk</a>>; Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">
members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Stuart,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The people that responded are not reflecting the opinion of the vast majority of internet companies and internet organizations - which needs IPv4.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Each and every person that I wasn't able to convince as you wrote is an active deployer of IPv6 and earns his money from deploying IPv6.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Respectfully,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Elad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Stuart Willet (primary) <<a href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk">stu@safehosts.co.uk</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io">elad@netstyle.io</a>>; Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">
members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Elad,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You are now making yourself look a little paranoid and silly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Respectfully,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Stuart Willet.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Elad Cohen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2020 10:53<br>
<b>To:</b> Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">
members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Sander is taking part in an illegal cyber influence operation against me.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Sander, instead of lying and acting like a coward with other interests, go ahead and ask me publicly any question that you would like regarding IPv4+ and you will be answered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Respectfully,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Elad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Sander Steffann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi,<br>
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> What being done here is a cyber influence operation against me, after I'm only trying to do good to the community.<br>
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> Sander, you didn't mention any flaws, can you please write them here and I will answer each and every one of them ?<br>
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This is not the place Elad. Many flaws have been pointed out to you already, but you just dismiss them. Take this to the IETF, you'll feel right at home… *<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Sander<br>
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* for those who don't follow the IETF, there is an appeal ongoing about IETF chairs and ADs ignoring inconvenient questions and objections</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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