<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Nevin,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Ripe board not interested to provide detailed list of expenses with providers names in order for us all to know where the the LIRs money of 30 million euros per year is flowing - have to do with your membership in Ripe. </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Respectfully,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elad </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr">From: Nevin Lyne <nevin@arcustech.com> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 9:04 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve the global "Email Spam" problem <div> </div> </div> <div class="BodyFragment"> <div class="PlainText">Elad, No, I am not full of interest, what I have is a full mailbox of crap from you that has NOTHING to do with my membership IN RIPE. If you have issues with your Fees, or how you claim RIPE is not spending $30 million Euros properly, etc. Those are issues related to your membership in RIPE, and would be worth discussion on this list. I also am simply going to setup a more advanced filter that finds your name/email address anywhere in the incoming message and deletes it, but allows me to keep my normal membership in this mailing list intact. Have a nice day. -Nevin On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Elad Cohen wrote: > Nevin, > > You are clearly full of interests. > > "b) find out that your "easy" solutions even if they make it through > the RFC process likely will never be fully implemented by enough people > to have an impact anytime within the next 10 to 15 years." > > If you don't know how to resolve the internet problems that affects > all of us you should not disturb people who are doing it. > > What I'm writing fits under "related matters." > > There are people in Ripe that are trying to shut me up including you > and you will not succeed. > > Respectfully, > Elad > *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of > Nevin Lyne <nevin@arcustech.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:34 PM > *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve > the global "Email Spam" problem > Elad, > > Please stop this. It is very clear here: > <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/membership-mailing-lists"> https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/membership-mailing-lists</a> what this mailing lists purpose is: > > "Purpose > > To enable RIPE NCC members to discuss membership-related issues that > affect them and to facilitate members' input into RIPE NCC General > Meetings and related matters." > > Your posts are not membership related issues in reference to RIPE > itself. You are seem to believe that if its a technical issue related > to the whole of the Internet, this is the place to discuss it. > > This is the 2nd subject line from you in two days I have had to tell > my email client to delete now if it comes from this mailing list and > contains your subject line, because to me, at this point, you are > spamming this mailing list. > > IF you want your technical ideas to be heard and discussed, how about > you go over to <a href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/">https://www.rfc-editor.org/</a> and learn what you need to > do to draft an Internet RFC on the subjects, which is the only place > you are going to get a) a global audience, and b) find out that your > "easy" solutions even if they make it through the RFC process likely > will never be fully implemented by enough people to have an impact > anytime within the next 10 to 15 years. > > Thank you. > > -Nevin > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Elad Cohen wrote: > > Hello Ben, > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > I don't believe that spamming will ever stop (if there is one thing > > that we can count on that will never change is human nature - and > sadly > > people here believe that spammers will just stop spamming at some > > point), if spam will be defeated by email then spamming will be done > > with sms messages or by phone, currently electronic mail is the most > > profitable so it is most abused, and the current approaches to this > > problem are completely wrong - "The Spamhaus Project" are chasing > after > > their tail, shooting everywhere, and not resolving the problem for > many > > years. > > > > "I hope everyone has a good rest of the weekend." - Yes, I'm making > sure of it. > > > > Everyone need to stay tuned because there is a new technical > solution > > for tomorrow (how to dramatically lower DDoS attacks, a beautiful > one). > > > > Respectfully, > > Elad > > *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf > of > > Ben Fitzgerald-O'Connor <Ben.Fitzgerald@Onega.net> > > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:52 PM > > *To:* Silvan Gebhardt <silvan@unavailable.online>; > > members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to > resolve > > the global "Email Spam" problem > > Hi All, > > > > > > I generally lurk here but a small comment on this.. > > > > > > Reading the thread, my humble opinion: > > > > > > @Elad � noting the comments, I think I do agree that email problems > / > > solutions might be better submitted as an RFC > > (<a href="https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/">https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/</a>) .. Ripe is a LIR mainly > tasked > > with administering IP number resources. � At the same time, I do > love > > your obvious passion for addressing problems and looking freshly at > > possible solutions. Regarding the upcoming election � I have just > had a > > look at the page with Candidate Biographies to judge a little how I > > might vote � at > > > <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-biographies"> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-biographies</a> .. and I can�t see you there, so would suggest please to submit / add a biography if this is not already in the works (and I hope all candidates do too). > > > > > > NB � be careful that if you do come up with a solution to fix spam > once > > and for all then beware that you also put a USD $10 Billion value on > > your own head (this is the rough value annually of the anti-spam > > industry!) (Comment partly in jest, partly from experience and > > observation). > > > > > > I hope everyone has a good rest of the weekend. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Ben > > > > > > *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On > Behalf > > Of *Silvan Gebhardt > > *Sent:* 26 April 2020 17:33 > > *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to > resolve > > the global "Email Spam" problem > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > > > this is not about any technical solution. This is Elad trying to > > position himself for the upcoming election. > > > > This is an election campaign. Nothing more. > > > > > > > <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates"> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates</a> > > > > > > Elon, just save your next typing. You will immead scream that I am > > running an "illegal cyber defamation campaign" against you. Sure. > > whatever. > > > > > > > > Silvan > > > > On 4/26/20 4:22 PM, info@cowmedia.de wrote: > > > > > Sorry Elad, > > > > > > > i know ist Sunday and some members of this mailling list have more > time as on a busy working day but are you really again (see the other > topic) posting an idea in this list were we cannot do anything about > this? > > > > > > > You try to find or present solutions to problems that doesnt > exist. While you think a lot on your ideas technically, please note > that this is only 1/3 of the things you need to take care of. > > > > > In this specific case you want to outsource the servers job of > filtering SPAM out competely to the client. This is not how this was > designed. You are thinking that email clients always have a UI or at > least some bigger code behind it that is able to do a lot of stuff. > There exist email clients in the world that have only <100 lines of > code and are only text based (as email is from the ground up). > > > > > > > We are completely the wrong audience group for your emails. > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> > > Unsubscribe: > > > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nevin%40arcustech.com"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nevin%40arcustech.com</a> > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> > Unsubscribe: > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io</a> -- -- Nevin Lyne -- Founder and Director of Technology -- Arcustech, LLC - <a href="https://www.arcustech.com/">https://www.arcustech.com/</a> </div> </div> </body> </html>