<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Tbh since the onset of the global pandemic and subsequent lockdown I’ve seen a huge decrease in both the amount of junk mail I receive and also the number of unsolicited phone calls I’m getting. <div><br></div><div>It’s as if an entire continent has been told not to go outside, or even go to work, and very few of them have broadband available at home ... (or has a disaster recovery it plan in place)</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway I confess I’ve switched off from most of these threads now but I sure know who I won’t be voting for as a result of the lengthy thread, so I guess some good has come from all of this :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> <br><br><div dir="ltr">– <div>Jon Morby</div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 26 Apr 2020, at 17:46, Silvan Gebhardt <silvan@unavailable.online> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <p>Hi Elad, <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>There are many smart people on this world. I've been in IT for too long. If someone tells me they have a "technical solution" to spam I don't buy it because it's either so convoluted we can rather just turn email litterally off (as in, stop accepting email, close port 25 and go back to a "closed" world - like back in the days of compuserve? Where you get to-down-control. <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Reminds me of "New IP" with the top-down control.</p> <p>I read it to the point of reading about a centralized website, and stopped there </p> <p><br> </p> <p>We do not want top down control in this place, so obviously any top down control is doomed to fail from my point of view.</p> <p><br> The solution to spam is education. <br> if people finally would stop falling for 419 Scams, they would cease to be</p> <p>if people would finally stop buying viagra online, they would cease to be spammed for</p> <p>if people would fall for the fake bride scams, I would not receive boobies by email anymore. <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>but unfortunately, it seems at some of the spammers customers think with their genitals instead of their brain still. You can't fix this with a technical solution.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>so, make the customers go away by learning, the business dies down. simple economics. I belive in simple economics. <br> <br> BR<br> Silvan<br> </p> <p><br> </p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/20 4:37 PM, Elad Cohen wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:DB7PR10MB21548B3E09F2985680813C4AD6AE0@DB7PR10MB2154.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Silvan,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> You didn't even read the technical solution that I wrote, maybe you will read it first ?</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Respectfully,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elad<br> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a> on behalf of Silvan Gebhardt <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:silvan@unavailable.online"><silvan@unavailable.online></a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:29 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><members-discuss@ripe.net></a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve the global "Email Spam" problem</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <p>Hi Michael, <br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>this is not about any technical solution. This is Elad trying to position himself for the upcoming election. <br> </p> <p>This is an election campaign. Nothing more.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates</a></p> <p><br> </p> <p>Elon, just save your next typing. You will immead scream that I am running an "illegal cyber defamation campaign" against you. Sure. whatever.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Silvan<br> </p> <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/20 4:22 PM, <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@cowmedia.de" moz-do-not-send="true"> info@cowmedia.de</a> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style>  </style> <div class="x_WordSection1"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Sorry Elad, </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">i know ist Sunday and some members of this mailling list have more time as on a busy working day but are you really again (see the other topic) posting an idea in this list were we cannot do anything about this?</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">You try to find or present solutions to problems that doesnt exist. While you think a lot on your ideas technically, please note that this is only 1/3 of the things you need to take care of. </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">In this specific case you want to outsource the servers job of filtering SPAM out competely to the client. This is not how this was designed. You are thinking that email clients always have a UI or at least some bigger code behind it that is able to do a lot of stuff. There exist email clients in the world that have only <100 lines of code and are only text based (as email is from the ground up). </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">We are completely the wrong audience group for your emails. </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Michael</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <br> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div></blockquote></div></body></html>