<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I already answered to you one minute ago. No software update will need to be done to any modem, I wrote it many many times but you ignored it - so please don't blame it on me.<br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Here is again:</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Any home modem will not need to be updated at all<br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Respectfully,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elad<br> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Stuart Willet (primary) <stu@safehosts.co.uk><br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:16 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io>; Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl><br> <b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <gert@space.net>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</font> <div> </div> </div> <style>  </style> <div lang="EN-GB" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"> <div class="x_WordSection1"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Show me how to �software update� my BT modem to accept iPv4 (rhetorical)</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I�m sorry, but you have had plenty of feedback from lots of people.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">You refuse to see the obvious, nobody is going to spend the man hours required.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I am now respectfully bowing out, I have wasted enough time on this.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Please feel free to tell people I am part of an IPv6 conspiracy against you, but also accept that this is nonsense.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Stuart Willet.</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Elad Cohen [mailto:elad@netstyle.io] <br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2020 11:07<br> <b>To:</b> Stuart Willet (primary) <stu@safehosts.co.uk>; Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl><br> <b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <gert@space.net>; members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">But you didn't understand IPv4+ based on what you are writing or you are trying to influence the readers...</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">First fully understand something, then decide if you are against it or not.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Regarding:</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">"</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">you want millions of dollars spent on millions of upgrades for a handful of new IPv4 addresse</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">"</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">No hardware upgrades will be need, only software updates and the software developers (operating system vendors and routing equipment manufacturers) will receive incentives. End-users / companies / organizations - will need to invest nothing.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Respectfully,</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Elad</span></p> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div class="x_MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"> <hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"> </div> <div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> Stuart Willet (primary) <<a href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk">stu@safehosts.co.uk</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:03 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io">elad@netstyle.io</a>>; Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"> members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span> </p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">You have not convinced me, I make no money from IPv6.</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I have no incentive to push IPv6 or downplay IPv4 or IPV4+</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Your idea is flawed and that�s that.</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Sorry,</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Stuart Willet.</span></p> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Elad Cohen [<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io">mailto:elad@netstyle.io</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2020 11:00<br> <b>To:</b> Stuart Willet (primary) <<a href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk">stu@safehosts.co.uk</a>>; Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"> members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"> </p> <div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Stuart,</span></p> </div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">The people that responded are not reflecting the opinion of the vast majority of internet companies and internet organizations - which needs IPv4. </span></p> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Each and every person that I wasn't able to convince as you wrote is an active deployer of IPv6 and earns his money from deploying IPv6.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Respectfully,</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Elad</span></p> </div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div class="x_MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"> <hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"> </div> <div id="x_x_divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> Stuart Willet (primary) <<a href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk">stu@safehosts.co.uk</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:54 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io">elad@netstyle.io</a>>; Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"> members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span> </p> <div> <p class="x_xmsonormal"> </p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Elad,</span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">You are now making yourself look a little paranoid and silly.</span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Respectfully,</span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Stuart Willet.</span></p> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> members-discuss [<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Elad Cohen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2020 10:53<br> <b>To:</b> Sander Steffann <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl">sander@steffann.nl</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net">gert@space.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"> members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"> </p> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Sander is taking part in an illegal cyber influence operation against me.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Sander, instead of lying and acting like a coward with other interests, go ahead and ask me publicly any question that you would like regarding IPv4+ and you will be answered.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Respectfully,</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Elad</span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> <div class="x_MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> <hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"> </span></div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> Sander Steffann<br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:40 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Elad Cohen<br> <b>Cc:</b> Gert D�ring; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world </span></p> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi,<br> <br> > What being done here is a cyber influence operation against me, after I'm only trying to do good to the community.<br> > <br> > Sander, you didn't mention any flaws, can you please write them here and I will answer each and every one of them ?<br> <br> This is not the place Elad. Many flaws have been pointed out to you already, but you just dismiss them. Take this to the IETF, you'll feel right at home� *<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Sander<br> <br> * for those who don't follow the IETF, there is an appeal ongoing about IETF chairs and ADs ignoring inconvenient questions and objections</span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>