<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Hello Ben,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you very much.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I don't believe that spamming will ever stop (if there is one thing that we can count on that will never change is human nature - and sadly people here believe that spammers will just stop spamming at some point), if spam will be defeated by email then spamming will be done with sms messages or by phone, currently electronic mail is the most profitable so it is most abused, and the current approaches to this problem are completely wrong - "The Spamhaus Project" are chasing after their tail, shooting everywhere, and not resolving the problem for many years.<br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> "I hope everyone has a good rest of the weekend." - Yes, I'm making sure of it.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Everyone need to stay tuned because there is a new technical solution for tomorrow (how to dramatically lower DDoS attacks, a beautiful one).<br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Respectfully,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Elad<br> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Ben Fitzgerald-O'Connor <Ben.Fitzgerald@Onega.net><br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:52 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Silvan Gebhardt <silvan@unavailable.online>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve the global "Email Spam" problem</font> <div> </div> </div> <style>  </style> <div lang="EN-GB" link="#0563C1" vlink="purple"> <div class="x_WordSection1"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Hi All,</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">I generally lurk here but a small comment on this..</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Reading the thread, my humble opinion:</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">@Elad – noting the comments, I think I do agree that email problems / solutions might be better submitted as an RFC (</span><a href="https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/"><span style="color:windowtext">https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/</span></a>) .. Ripe is a LIR mainly tasked with administering IP number resources. … At the same time, I do love your obvious passion for addressing problems and looking freshly at possible solutions. Regarding the upcoming election – I have just had a look at the page with Candidate Biographies to judge a little how I might vote – at <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-biographies"> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-biographies</a> .. and I can’t see you there, so would suggest please to submit / add a biography if this is not already in the works (and I hope all candidates do too). </p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="x_MsoNormal">NB – be careful that if you do come up with a solution to fix spam once and for all then beware that you also put a USD $10 Billion value on your own head (this is the rough value annually of the anti-spam industry!) (Comment partly in jest, partly from experience and observation). </p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="x_MsoNormal">I hope everyone has a good rest of the weekend.</p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="x_MsoNormal">Regards</p> <p class="x_MsoNormal">Ben</p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <div> <div style="border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Silvan Gebhardt<br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 April 2020 17:33<br> <b>To:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve the global "Email Spam" problem</span></p> </div> </div> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> <p>Hi Michael, </p> <p> </p> <p>this is not about any technical solution. This is Elad trying to position himself for the upcoming election. </p> <p>This is an election campaign. Nothing more.</p> <p> </p> <p><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates</a></p> <p> </p> <p>Elon, just save your next typing. You will immead scream that I am running an "illegal cyber defamation campaign" against you. Sure. whatever.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>Silvan</p> <div> <p class="x_MsoNormal">On 4/26/20 4:22 PM, <a href="mailto:info@cowmedia.de">info@cowmedia.de</a> wrote:</p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt; margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Sorry Elad, </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">i know ist Sunday and some members of this mailling list have more time as on a busy working day but are you really again (see the other topic) posting an idea in this list were we cannot do anything about this?</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">You try to find or present solutions to problems that doesnt exist. While you think a lot on your ideas technically, please note that this is only 1/3 of the things you need to take care of. </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">In this specific case you want to outsource the servers job of filtering SPAM out competely to the client. This is not how this was designed. You are thinking that email clients always have a UI or at least some bigger code behind it that is able to do a lot of stuff. There exist email clients in the world that have only <100 lines of code and are only text based (as email is from the ground up). </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">We are completely the wrong audience group for your emails. </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">Michael</span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p> <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html>