<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hmmm, maybe they are still processing them, but I would have thought 6 days was a bit excessive - Sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Together pal <info@together-pal.com> <br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 February 2020 20:16<br> <b>To:</b> Mike Simkins <mike.simkins@sungardas.com>; members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Cc:</b> Bora Ismen <bora.ismen@nimbevo.com>; Dominic Schallert <ds@schallert.com><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Not for me <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><img width="1095" height="729" style="width:11.4083in;height:7.5916in" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image014.png@01D5ECE1.D12AD6A0" alt="image.png"><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:11 PM Mike Simkins <<a href="mailto:mike.simkins@sungardas.com">mike.simkins@sungardas.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Yes, definitely there</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><img border="0" width="728" height="150" style="width:7.5833in;height:1.5666in" id="gmail-m_-8657646982740617381Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image017.png@01D5ECE1.EBADF2A0"></span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Together pal <<a href="mailto:info@together-pal.com" target="_blank">info@together-pal.com</a>> <br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 February 2020 20:00<br> <b>To:</b> Mike Simkins <<a href="mailto:mike.simkins@sungardas.com" target="_blank">mike.simkins@sungardas.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> Bora Ismen <<a href="mailto:bora.ismen@nimbevo.com" target="_blank">bora.ismen@nimbevo.com</a>>; Dominic Schallert <<a href="mailto:ds@schallert.com" target="_blank">ds@schallert.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">They are not available for me, could you double check your account, I also contacted RIPE two days ago but still waiting for them to answer.<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:57 PM Mike Simkins <<a href="mailto:mike.simkins@sungardas.com" target="_blank">mike.simkins@sungardas.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">They are available in the member (LIR) portal</span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bora Ismen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 February 2020 19:07<br> <b>To:</b> 'Together pal' <</span><a href="mailto:info@together-pal.com" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">info@together-pal.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US">>; 'Dominic Schallert' <</span><a href="mailto:ds@schallert.com" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">ds@schallert.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US">><br> <b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Not yet, there is 2 more business days in February, and we have not received any invoices yet. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Together pal<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Dominic Schallert <</span><a href="mailto:ds@schallert.com" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">ds@schallert.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US">><br> <b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Did anyone got the invoice for 2020 fees??<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dominic Schallert <<a href="mailto:ds@schallert.com" target="_blank">ds@schallert.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-right:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__labs.ripe.net_statistics_number-2Dof-2Dlirs&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=BNpi6cGdcPmp9wP7gk0eut42luQ16YBpZ-5iUyKyr38&e=" target="_blank">https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs</a><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean <<a href="mailto:ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net" target="_blank">ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">others.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only).<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">-- <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_listinfo_members-2Ddiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=d1LkUK24LmPTBWNb5TLp4yqLyp5-BK0DrBFEBKI7Dm0&e=" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Unsubscribe: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_options_members-2Ddiscuss_ds-2540schallert.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=HwoU8eY3w3AU5XZ5gTfCcP-Xu45N18vxA3wEd_Y7gIw&e=" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds%40schallert.com</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">_______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_listinfo_members-2Ddiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=d1LkUK24LmPTBWNb5TLp4yqLyp5-BK0DrBFEBKI7Dm0&e=" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_options_members-2Ddiscuss_info-2540together-2Dpal.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=Z7jHCfLAxnS3H3OvFyOyczqNlpee1NbMin5PLkRZUts&e=" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40together-pal.com</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html>