<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body dir="auto"> <div dir="ltr">Hello,</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Thanks for sharing for your opinion. But I don’t understand the reason to use ! :) saying it’s not fair is easy to understand. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Also you are forecasting that we planned to terminate without knowledge, I prefer to have the information / knowledge first and then judge something. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Also nobody said it’s a game , just asking your opinion. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">And while providing your opinion its better to share it make people think about it, instead of using strong verbal skills. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Thanks. </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> <blockquote type="cite">On 24 Feb 2020, at 19:41, Ilir Daka <ilir.daka@vig.al> wrote:<br> <br> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">  <style></style>  <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In my opinion it is fair!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You are a business and always go forward through planes! 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Not pushing hard to make annual payment. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">The issue is not about money wise on my side. Just trying to learn what you think, and I respect each and every answer of you. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:49, Mark Scholten <<a href="mailto:info@mscholten.eu">info@mscholten.eu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span> <o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Maybe they should make an exception if you return at least a /22 IPv4 (or whatever direct allocation you did get from RIPE NCC). That way it would help to reduce the waiting list a bit.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If you are going to sell the /22 I don't see a reason to make it cheaper.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Also I believe RIPE NCC warns early enough for this (by the end of the previous year).</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards, Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> members-discuss [</span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cynthia Revström<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 24, 2020 16:41<br> <b>To:</b> Ali Vargonen<br> <b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">- Cynthia<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:15 PM Ali Vargonen <<a href="mailto:ali@vargonen.com">ali@vargonen.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<br> <br> I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new.<br> Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it.<br> <br> As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount.<br> <br> I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option.<br> <br> You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year.<br> <br> Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it.<br> <br> Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year?<br> <br> Kind Regards,<br> <br> A.V.<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <span>_______________________________________________</span><br> <span>members-discuss mailing list</span><br> <span>members-discuss@ripe.net</span><br> <span>https://mailman.ripe.net/</span><br> <span>Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ali%40vargonen.com</span><br> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>