<div dir="ltr">I vote for keeping the list, and if there was a way to verify reliable brokers easily, that would be a bonus. <div> </div><div>I am not in favor of RIPE acting as a broker at this time. </div><div> </div><div>tim</div><div> </div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:44 AM Heng Lu <<a href="mailto:h.lu@outsideheaven.com">h.lu@outsideheaven.com</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Hi</div></div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">I am not very comfortable with idea have ripe become some sort of regulatory for brokerage market...</div><div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Maxemilian Hilbrand <<a href="mailto:maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com" target="_blank">maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com</a>>于2019年12月19日周四22:39写道： </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="DE"><div>I would also vote for option B As I completely understand that costs were associated with LIR accounts, a fee for transferring IP address spaces is justified. Assuming, the most of us did not “purchase” IP addresses before (we run out of IPv4), a source of trusted traders would be essential to make a transaction. Even better would be to get the addresses directly from the LIR. Furthermore, RIPE might suggest a price per IP address or limit the price. This would avoid excessive trading and money-making with initially “free” addresses. 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Dezember 2019 15:18 An: Schnabeltier <<a href="mailto:ripe-member-discuss@cidr.eu" target="_blank">ripe-member-discuss@cidr.eu</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List</div></div> I would vote for option B … <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="292" valign="top" style="width:219pt;padding:6.75pt 6.75pt 0cm 0cm"><a href="http://www.angolacables.com/?utm_campaign=AngolaCables&utm_source=Website&utm_medium=Traffic" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="cid:16f1e9a1964f5cbdbdf1" style="max-width: 100%;"></a></td><td width="3" style="width:2.25pt;padding:0cm"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="207" style="width:155.25pt"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0cm">Melhores Cumprimentos / Kind Regards. 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B) We would consider it as important to have a list of reliable brokers. The RIPE NCC would only publish information of brokers which are verified. If the majority would vote for this option, we have to find a solution how to verify the integrity of brokers. C) We do not consider a list of reliable brokers as important. While RIPE NCC cannot or does not want to validate the integrity of brokers at this moment, the list should be removed. <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center"></div>From: Christian Kaufmann <<a href="http:///email/new/1/exec-board%40ripe.net" target="_blank">exec-board@ripe.net</a>> Sent: Thursday, 19. Dec 2019 – 10:17 CET +0100 To: <a href="http:///email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Subject: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List<div><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap">Dear RIPE NCC members,</pre><pre> </pre><pre>The Executive Board has been following this discussion and we can see </pre><pre>general agreement for a change in the way brokers are listed on the RIPE </pre><pre>NCC's website.</pre><pre> </pre><pre>The question is whether the RIPE NCC should remove the list entirely, or </pre><pre>otherwise take steps to improve its approach. There are pros and cons </pre><pre>with both options.</pre><pre> </pre><pre>Removing the list is straightforward and would spare the RIPE NCC a few </pre><pre>headaches. However, it is worth considering whether the current model </pre><pre>provides some incentive for brokers to play by the rules and what might </pre><pre>happen if this incentive is gone.</pre><pre> </pre><pre>Conversely, it's clear that some brokers are still spamming RIPE </pre><pre>Database contacts. Is this the only problem we are seeking to eliminate </pre><pre>here, or are there others? Could an updated set of terms or a stricter </pre><pre>approach by the RIPE NCC help to mitigate this?</pre><pre> </pre><pre>Before the board makes its decision, we would like to hear your thoughts</pre><pre>on this list.</pre><pre> </pre><pre>Kind regards,</pre><pre> </pre><pre>Christian Kaufmann</pre><pre>RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman</pre><pre> </pre><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>members-discuss mailing list</pre><pre><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></pre><pre><a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a></pre><pre>Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-member-discuss%40cidr.eu" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-member-discuss%40cidr.eu</a></pre></div></div></div>_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/tech%40outsideheaven.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/tech%40outsideheaven.com</a> </blockquote></div></div> _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/twicinski%40salesforce.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/twicinski%40salesforce.com</a> </blockquote></div> <div> </div>-- <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"> <a href="http://smart.salesforce.com/sig/twicinski//us_mb/default/link.html" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://smart.salesforce.com/sig/twicinski//us_mb/default/logo.png"></a></div>