<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>“In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP transfers should be taken back by RIPE and given to LIRs in need”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>It will stop developing bussines models based on buy/sell IPv4. It should also be in line with RIPE policy, I guess.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Vladimir<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>noc<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 November , 2019 12:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Stuart Willet; Kseniya Sokol; members-discuss@ripe.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>It's been a while that I am reading the messages and not answering. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But in my opinion, this deserves to be answered. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Almost all brokers/operators here try to sell something that they don't own.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You guys should put something on your heads: the ips don't belong to you. They are NOT yours!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The IPs belong to RIPE and RIPE assign you a range for you to use.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The RIPE transfer was never meant to be used to make profit. It was created to transfer ips between LIRs that need IPs and LIRs that don't need IPs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have seen a lot of "we sell ips from RIPE, ARIN, etc...". You don't sell them. You can't sell something that don't belong to you. Don't you?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This topic seriously needs to be handled by RIPE. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP transfers should be taken back by RIPE and given to LIRs in need.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757'>Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------- Mensagem original --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>De : Stuart Willet <stu@safehosts.co.uk> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Data: 29/11/19 12:05 (GMT+01:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Para: Kseniya Sokol <ksyu@netassist.ua>, members-discuss@ripe.net <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>Are you seriously trying to sell IPv4 space via the members discuss mailing list, which is being used to discuss the underhand tactics of people just like you?<br><br>I think it's time I pulled out of the mailing list.All I have seen is decent people raise decent points only to be shot down and taken over by Spamy IPv4 brokers.<br><br>Congratulations once more RIPE for not being able to organise a proverbial drink up in a brewery.<br><br>/me left<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Kseniya Sokol<br>Sent: 29 November 2019 10:28<br>To: members-discuss@ripe.net<br>Subject: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer<br><br>Hi<br>So here it becomes the same market, and the same propositions as you start to condemned in discussion<br> "RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers"<br>We also do have a lot of IP addresses and price is not to high.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>29.11.2019 12:05, Hassan Dirsanji пишет:<br>> Hi guys,<br>> <br>> An IPv4 block /19 with is a PI allocation available for immediate transfer.<br>> Please let me know if you are interested in.<br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 13:11 Pablo Serrano <info@pabloserrano.net <br>> <mailto:info@pabloserrano.net>> wrote:<br>> <br>> 50$ per ip and free hugs it's a good BF!<br>> <br>> Nikolay Gorstkin wrote on 2019-11-29 10:32:<br>> > :))<br>> > Yeah!! This morning I heard a price of $ 40 / per address :)<br>> > Anti-BF !<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> 29 нояб. 2019 г., в 12:27, Bunea Petru <suport@bunea.eu<br>> <mailto:suport@bunea.eu>> написал(а):<br>> >><br>> >> I think we can tell for sure this is a reverse Black Friday.<br>> Maybe a first in BF history.<br>> >><br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >><br>> >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 11:24, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz<br>> <mailto:kaa@net-art.cz>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> <br>> >>> I was waiting for such message here, in m-d list!<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 09:42, José Manuel Giner <jm@ginernet.com<br>> <mailto:jm@ginernet.com>> wrote:<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Hello,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> we're interested to buy (full-transfer) a /22,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> If anybody is interested to sell us with a special price,<br>> please contact me with the proposal details.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Thanks.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> --<br>> >>>> José Manuel Giner<br>> >>>> https://ginernet.com<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> >>>> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> >>>> https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>> >>>> Unsubscribe:<br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/kaa%40net-art.cz<br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> >>> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> >>> https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>> >>> Unsubscribe:<br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> members-discuss mailing list<br>> >> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> >> https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>> >> Unsubscribe:<br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nikolay.gorstkin%40gmail.com<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > members-discuss mailing list<br>> > members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> > https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>> > Unsubscribe:<br>> <br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40pabloser<br>> rano.net<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>> Unsubscribe:<br>> <br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aidinsystem%40g<br>> mail.com<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> members-discuss@ripe.net<br>> https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>> Unsubscribe: <br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ksyu%40netassis<br>> t.ua<br>> <br><br>--<br>С уважением, Ксения Сокол<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br>members-discuss@ripe.net<br>https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stu%40safehosts.co.uk<br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br>members-discuss@ripe.net<br>https://mailman.ripe.net/<br>Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40xervers.pt<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>