<div dir="ltr">I would just like to say that I very much share Filip's view on this.<div>- Cynthia</div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 5:00 PM Filip Hruska <<a href="mailto:fhr@fhrnet.eu">fhr@fhrnet.eu</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi, the problem is that it's currently cheaper and easier to rent IPv4 space from a 3rd party, than to sign up for LIR membership and MAYBE get some space through the waiting list system. Going price for a /24 seems to be around 60 EUR a month, which equates to around 720 EUR a year. The RIPE sign up fee and yearly maintenance is much much higher; a small hosting company that's just starting out might not be able to afford it. I was in this exact spot just over a year ago. Kind Regards, Filip On 11/29/19 15:26, Bernd Naumann wrote: > Petru, > > Maybe you start first with reading the updates, ok? > > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:49:52 +0200 > Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Member Update October 2019 > > where you can find the following > > > <a href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/how-waiting-list-works" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/how-waiting-list-works</a> > > Who Can Join the Waiting List? > > > > In order to submit an IPv4 request, the following criteria apply: > > > > You must have completed the process to become a RIPE NCC member > (LIR) > > The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4 > allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list) > > The allocation must be used to make assignments > > The address space must be used on a network with at least one > active element in the RIPE NCC service region > > > > The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4 > allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list) > > Which clearly applies for NEW "startups", or any other org which has > no ASN and IPv4 right now but plans to do so. Yet uncool that a bunch > of people do speculation with exhausted/exhausting resources and do > not free up space. > > > I have a hard time following the thoughts of these evangelist of greed. > > So at least the process is formalized, but I agree that "we" have to > wait and see if that even works out. > > Please, stay calm and civilized. > > Bernd > > > On 29.11.19 14:23, Petru Bunea wrote: >> Perhaps you could enlighten all of us how a company that will be a >> startup next year (for example) and needs BGP and IPv4 would be able >> to work if they are not even able to buy IPs from the grey market? >> Did you even think before hitting the send button ? Really now ... >> >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:57, Lutz Donnerhacke >>> <<a href="mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de" target="_blank">L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de</a>> wrote: >>> >>> I believe RIPE NCC can disprove your claim by listing IPv4 resources >>> which were given back by (still existing) LIRs in the past. >>> And yes, I also support forcing takeback of resources by RIPE (i.e. >>> by revoking rPKI certs) if they are sold to a different party. > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> > <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> > Unsubscribe: > <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/fhr-ripediscuss%40fhrnet.eu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/fhr-ripediscuss%40fhrnet.eu</a> > _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re</a> </blockquote></div>