<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Despite the fact you're not counting the amount earn via new members Sign-up fee, i think your scheme would work better than any other that was already presented.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 9:37 AM Alexis Hanicotte <<a href="mailto:alexis@velumware.com">alexis@velumware.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I agree, this vote does not make sense to me.<div>It seems to me that the board does not want a volume-based pricing, and so suggests an option that few will vote for. Then they can say "you see, people do not want volume-based pricing"...<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>An issue with most suggested "Option C" schemes is that final income will be too high.</div><div>Here is a spreadsheet to help do the math and see the impact on each LIR.</div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oVAQ7ADW3UY17GPUgJl2T8AhMwHaDiuCb8a9fY6bark/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oVAQ7ADW3UY17GPUgJl2T8AhMwHaDiuCb8a9fY6bark/edit?usp=sharing</a><br></div><div>(feel free to make a copy and do you own math)</div><div><br></div><div>For instance, if we estimate RIPE needed budget to 32M€,</div><div>and decide to charge half via flat fee, half via number of IPs,</div><div>that gives 740€ + 2.7cents / IPv4 address or IPv6/32 prefix.</div><div>(see tab n°2 of spreadsheet)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-4887249367810079729m_-6998649169729600169gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Alexis Hanicotte<div>VelumWare SAS</div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:23 AM Michal Prokeš <<a href="mailto:michal.prokes@hdata.cz" target="_blank">michal.prokes@hdata.cz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Dear colleagues,<br>
</p>
<p>there are many users discussing about per ipv4 payments for a
long time. I does not have to be most wanted option, but I
believe, it is most discussed option last years. </p>
<p>So if we decide to make voting about charging scheme, it should
include the most discussed option. We will see if it win or not.
Voting without this option is misleading. Organizations with huge
allocations love actual schema (optiona A) and small organizations
with symbolic alocation of /22 are definitely not going to vote
for option B (very simplified it means: the less you have to buy
on expensive ipv4 market the less you have to pay RIPE annualy).<br>
</p>
<p>Please <br>
</p>
<p>* Add option C (per-ipv4 fee) to choices<br>
</p>
<p> or <br>
</p>
<p>* Cancel this voting. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Results of voting with announced options will be very misleading.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>M. Prokeš<br>
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Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08<br>
Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 -
Two Options to Vote On<br>
To: <a class="gmail-m_-4887249367810079729gmail-m_-6998649169729600169gmail-m_9254179706608250moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncc-announce@ripe.net" target="_blank">ncc-announce@ripe.net</a><br>
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<p dir="ltr">Dear colleagues,
<br>
<br>
Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020
at the General
<br>
Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from
members, the
<br>
Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options
that the
<br>
members can choose from at the GM.
<br>
<br>
An overview of the two options is also available that
explains the two
<br>
models in more detail. The overview and the two charging
schemes are
<br>
available at:
<br>
<a class="gmail-m_-4887249367810079729gmail-m_-6998649169729600169gmail-m_9254179706608250moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents</a>
<br>
<br>
In short, the options that members will choose between
are:
<br>
<br>
Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing
charging scheme,
<br>
according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR
1,400 plus an extra
<br>
EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment.
<br>
<br>
Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new
volume-based, per
<br>
registration charging scheme. This would involve
lowering the annual fee
<br>
to EUR 1,150 whilst broadening the applicability of the
separate EUR 50
<br>
charge to all number registrations held by the member.
See the full list
<br>
of registrations that would be charged in the document.
<br>
<br>
The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to both
options.
<br>
<br>
We encourage members to discuss the options on the
Member Discuss
<br>
mailing list at <a class="gmail-m_-4887249367810079729gmail-m_-6998649169729600169gmail-m_9254179706608250moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><members-discuss@ripe.net></a>. The
Executive Board and the
<br>
RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely
ahead of the GM.
<br>
<br>
If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly
encourage you to
<br>
do so and make sure you have your say on which of two
distinct charging
<br>
scheme options should be adopted in May. Full
participation and voting
<br>
options are available for all members. You can register
now via the LIR
<br>
Portal at:
<br>
<a class="gmail-m_-4887249367810079729gmail-m_-6998649169729600169gmail-m_9254179706608250moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019</a>
<br>
<br>
All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are
available from:
<br>
<a class="gmail-m_-4887249367810079729gmail-m_-6998649169729600169gmail-m_9254179706608250moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/</a>
<br>
<br>
Kind regards,
<br>
<br>
Gwen van Berne
<br>
Chief Financial Officer
<br>
RIPE NCC
<br>
<br>
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