<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear RIPE NCC Members,</div><div><br></div><div>For years i've been told that every member should pay the same amount, because this is a membership, not a service. Suddenly i check my e-mail and see you're talking about a "new volume-based" charging scheme. Great! Then i start to read and i found that you want to charge for block assignments and not number of IPv4 Addresses + IPv6 Addresses + AS Numbers.</div><div><br></div><div>Lets be realistic... no one is counting block assignments. What real makes the difference between members is the number of IPv4 each member gets. </div><div><br></div><div>If you want to do this, you should account for number of IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses and not only resource assignments.</div><div><br></div><div>Let's say at this moment RIPE manages "601 532 288 IPv4 Addresses(?)" (source: <a href="https://www-public.imtbs-tsp.eu/~maigron/RIR_Stats/RIR_Delegations/RIPENCC/IPv4-ByNb.html" target="_blank">https://www-public.imtbs-tsp.eu/~maigron/RIR_Stats/RIR_Delegations/RIPENCC/IPv4-ByNb.html</a>), if they're all allocated, lets say LIRs are charged 0,25€ each IPv4 a year, a LIR would get 10240 IPv4 Addresses for 2560€/year and RIPE NCC would make 150M€/year only from IPv4 Addresses. (For comparation, a LIR with a /16 would pay 16384€/year)</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not saying this should be the value charged, but a base fee + a fee based on the number of IPv4 Addresses would make those LIRs that have a /16 laying around think twice if they really want to maintain it or should save money and return them for someone who needs it. <br><br>Example Graph for charging based on IPv4 Address:<br><br><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="706" style="border-collapse:collapse;width:528pt"><colgroup><col width="87" style="width:65pt"><col width="111" style="width:83pt"><col width="127" span="4" style="width:95pt"></colgroup><tbody><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" width="87" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;width:65pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">CIDR</td><td width="111" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;width:83pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">Number of IPv4</td><td width="127" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;width:95pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">If 0,10€/IPv4/year</td><td width="127" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;width:95pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">If 0,15€/IPv4/year</td><td width="127" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;width:95pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">If 0,20€/IPv4/year</td><td width="127" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;width:95pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">If 0,25€/IPv4/year</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/24</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">256</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">25,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">38,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">51,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">64</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/23</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">512</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">51,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">76,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">102,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">128</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/22</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1024</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">102,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">153,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">204,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">256</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/21</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">2048</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">204,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">307,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">409,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">512</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/20</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">4096</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">409,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">614,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">819,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1024</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/19</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">8192</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">819,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1228,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1638,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">2048</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/18</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">16384</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1638,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">2457,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">3276,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">4096</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/17</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">32768</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">3276,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">4915,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">6553,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">8192</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/16</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">65536</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">6553,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">9830,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">13107,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">16384</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/15</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">131072</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">13107,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">19660,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">26214,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">32768</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/14</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">262144</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">26214,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">39321,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">52428,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">65536</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/13</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">524288</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">52428,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">78643,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">104857,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">131072</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/12</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1048576</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">104857,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">157286,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">209715,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">262144</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/11</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">2097152</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">209715,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">314572,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">419430,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">524288</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/10</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">4194304</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">419430,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">629145,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">838860,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1048576</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/9</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">8388608</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">838860,8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1258291,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1677721,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">2097152</td></tr><tr height="21" style="height:16pt"><td height="21" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;height:16pt;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">/8</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">16777216</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">1677721,6</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">2516582,4</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">3355443,2</td><td align="right" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:black;font-size:12pt;vertical-align:bottom;border:none;white-space:nowrap">4194304</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:21 AM Elvis Daniel Velea <<a href="mailto:elvis@v4escrow.net">elvis@v4escrow.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 4/17/19 13:02, REG ID: pl.skonet wrote:<br>
> Dear RIPE,<br>
><br>
> Who asked about "volume" (quotes intentional) charging?<br>
<br>
I'm also interested to know who asked for the change of the charging <br>
scheme and how has the RIPE NCC Board reached to the two options that <br>
are now proposed.<br>
<br>
<br>
The second option, option B, is not really a volume charging scheme. It <br>
penalizes those that have received multiple smaller allocations instead <br>
of a larger one. It also penalizes whoever decides to transfer parts of <br>
an allocation. For example, let's say an LIR has a /16 allocation - it <br>
would pay the €1150 + €50. Let's now say that one of their customers <br>
really can not renumber and wants to buy the /24 they are using. Once <br>
the transfer is complete the LIR will now have several allocations <br>
(/17+/18+/19+/20+/21+/22+/23+/24) and will end up paying €1150 + €400.<br>
<br>
Why is this "volume" charging scheme not taking into account the number <br>
of IPs (which would make a lot more sense) an LIR has allocated and <br>
instead it looks at the arbitrary number of allocations? Has the Board <br>
analyzed what would happen if an LIR decides to complain that before <br>
2012 the IP Resource Analyst that looked at his request decided to <br>
allocate several smaller blocks instead of the large block it was asking <br>
for.<br>
<br>
<br>
I think (and I believe I have heard one board member saying) that this <br>
proposal of a charging scheme was made SPECIFICALLY to create noise and <br>
guide members to vote for no change. If we are given options, why not <br>
multiple where some may make sense instead of 2 options (one where <br>
nothing changes, second - poorly designed - where everyone will be <br>
unhappy and thus nobody will vote for). Please see below.<br>
<br>
I really want to hear from the Board and understand how and why they <br>
have reached the conclusion that these are the only two options they <br>
will propose the membership to vote on.<br>
<br>
><br>
> First of all, please submit a plan to spend the huge amount of extra <br>
> money you will get from option B. Today, you give the members a <br>
> surplus from the annual budget, because you are not able to spend <br>
> everything that you collect. I am definitely against option B.<br>
><br>
> Please keep charging scheme as is.<br>
<br>
If I be asked to vote for one of these two options I'll also vote for <br>
the charging scheme to be kept as is.<br>
<br>
I have mentioned a few ideas to a few of the Board members - ideas that <br>
have been dismissed completely as far as I can see :(<br>
<br>
Why is the board not proposing a charging scheme that charges every PI <br>
holder €100 or even up to €400 every year - in order to decrease the LIR <br>
membership fee with a few hundred €?<br>
<br>
Why isn't the board talking about the removal of the difference in price <br>
between PA and PI? If both PA and PI would cost the same, many PI <br>
holders will decide to become members and the RIPE NCC would then be 60k <br>
members strong instead of 20k.<br>
<br>
Why is it that every time a new charging scheme is proposed, we are not <br>
consulted? Even if, let's say, my idea would not be accepted, I'd like <br>
to see it as one of the several options presented to members. At least <br>
it would get dismissed by the membership and not by the board (who <br>
apparently does not want anything to change).<br>
<br>
Last question is related to the sign-up fee. We are nearing IPv4 <br>
depletion (haven't I heard this before, like a dozen times since 2012?) <br>
and the number of members will start to decline significantly once the <br>
RIPE NCC can no longer allocate IPv4. Why is the board keeping the €2000 <br>
sign-up fee in the charging scheme? What's the use of the sign-up fee <br>
right now and what will be it's use once the RIPE NCC can not allocate <br>
IPv4 any longer? Isn't this €2000 sign-up fee one of the barriers <br>
forcing potential members into buying IPv4 PI?<br>
<br>
You'll say that people will get /22s from the RIPE NCC quicker/cheaper <br>
if they could setup an LIR for just €1400/year. Well, I agree with you, <br>
but let's see if this €2000 sign-up fee still makes sense once the RIPE <br>
NCC can not allocate IPv4 any longer.<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
<br>
elvis<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Elvis Daniel Velea<br>
V4Escrow LLC<br>
Chief Executive Officer<br>
E-mail: <a href="mailto:elvis@v4escrow.net" target="_blank">elvis@v4escrow.net</a><br>
Mobile: +1 (702) 970 0921<br>
<br>
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