<html><body><div>I don't think the point of IPv6 is to spend, spend, spend either.</div><div>A limited resource will always run out. If you think you are going to need a quadruple billion IP-addresses on every LAN, then sure go a head and spend.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I would however not pay much attention to a BCOP that recommends /48 for businesses, /56 for residential, /54 for single moms and /52 for Fortnite players. <br></div><div>The moment you start hardcoding prefixlengths into your design, or any number for that matters, you are certainly not going to have a future proof network...<br></div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div>Jørgen<br><div><br></div><div><br></div>
At 16:11 21/01/2019 (UTC), Patterson, Richard (Sky Network Services (SNS)) wrote:<br>
<br><meta charset="utf-8">Sorry to hijack this thread, but I'd disagree with the "policies are working nicely" comment, right now I'm really struggling to get RIPE to accept my request for a larger-than-/29 allocation.<br>
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The simple math that a /29 only provides room for ~500K subscribers, when coupled with RIPE's own RIPE-690 BCOP `recommendation of /48 PD assignments, apparently isn't sufficient justification.<br>
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I agree with your comment that the point of IPv6 isn't to "conserve! conserve!", however in my experience it seems that RIPE does not agree with us. RIPE is still placing far too much pressure on the LIR to justify the network design and geographical topology of their network, citing RIPE-707 Section 3.5.<br>
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Right now it is easier for me to simply continue assigning /56 prefix delegations to end-users, instead of fighting RIPE.<br>
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-Rich<br>
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On 17/01/2019, 12:29, "members-discuss on behalf of Gert Doering" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of gert@space.net> wrote:<br>
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IPv6 utilization seems to be well under control. The policies are working<br>
nicely - every ISP and every end customer can have large amounts of IPv6<br>
networks, but still we're only scratching on the first 1% of the<br>
first 1/8 of the IPv6 address space (5 /12 out of 2000::/3 allocated to<br>
RIRs, but by no means fully utilized).<br>
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With most "really large" players already having "amazingly large" IPv6<br>
allocations.<br>
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The point about IPv6 is not "conserve! conserve!" but "use these nice<br>
easily accessible masses of addresses and GO AND ROLL OUT IPv6!"<br>
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Gert Doering<br>
-- APWG chair<br>
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